By: Demetrius (Co-Founder of the OCPRS, Toronto Canada)
Paranormal Researchers have always adopted various technologies to conduct investigations. In recent years, a controversial technology that has gained popularity among paranormal researchers is the “Ghost Box,” created by Frank Sumption in 2002. Before anyone can appreciate what a “Ghost Box” is or how it works, it is worth exploring some other recording devices that have been used to record the voices of “spirits.” What may become apparent to most people is how some technologies have been used to promote the belief in paranormal activity rather than provide any legitimacy.
There have been various technologies used to record the voices or sounds of “spirits” since the dawn of the 20th century. The earliest such recording, albeit unintentional, was made by anthropologist, Waldemar Bogoras (b.1865 – d. 1936) in 1901. Using a phonograph to record the languages, songs, and beliefs of various indigenous tribes in Siberia, Bogoras recorded something unexpected. It was during the recording of a ritual performed by a Chuckchee shaman that Bogoras also recorded unexplained voices, which spoke in English and Russian. According to some sources, the Minnesota State University continues to maintain and study the recording. Despite examinations by physicist, the recording remains unexplainable. Bogoras’ recording is not only the earliest, but is the most credible and fascinating piece of evidence considered to be paranormal.
There was nothing extraordinary about the phonograph used by Waldemar Bogoras. The phonograph recorded and reproduced sounds mechanically. It wasn’t until the 1920’s that electrical recordings revolutionized the recording industry. Experimentation with electronic communication with the spirits of the dead continued, but it wasn’t until people like Konstantin Raudive (b. 1909 – d. 1974) made numerous and successful electronic recordings. One method developed by Raudive was to record from a radio not tuned to any working broadcast – otherwise known as “white noise.” Electronic recordings of spirit voices gained much popularity as a result of people like Konstantin Raudive.
Eventually, electronic recordings of “spirit” voices – as a technological application for paranormal research – came to be known as Electronic Voice Phenomenon or EVP. The term was introduced during the 1970’s by a publishing company, Colin Smythe Ltd. The ways in which EVP is used by paranormal investigators varies, and some have even attempted to improve upon these techniques by improving the technology. Why EVP is so popular among paranormal researchers is largely due to how recording devices can be used as a means to obtain evidence. However, some paranormal researchers use EVP as a mediumistic technique.
In 2002, a man named Frank Sumption introduced a new technological application to paranormal research called, Frank’s Box – otherwise known as the Ghost Box. Ironically thought to have been invented for the purpose of speaking with “spirits,” Frank Sumption didn’t create the device for such a specific purpose, but includes Extraterrestrials, and other disembodied “intelligences.” Why it is called a “Ghost Box” is due to its popularity among ghost hunters who use it strictly to communicate with the spirits of the dead. It is supposedly capable of communication with “spirits” whereby the living can receive immediate responses, rather than have to review the recording at a later time. How does the Ghost Box work? Here is a non-technical summary: The Ghost Box utilizes what is thought to be “white noise” – as mentioned above with Konstantin Raudive – along with an AM (Amplitude Modulation) radio receiver, from which the radio amplitudes (or channels) are quickly swept through, back and forth like a scan. When questions are asked, it is thought that these sweeps across the various AM channels provide an electronic voice for spirits/extraterrestrials, who can then answer the living. In other words, the Ghost Box provides real-time communication with the spirits of the dead or extraterrestrial intelligences. Sounds scientific? Not at all and here is why.
Frank Sumption claims to have received the designs for his EVP device from a disembodied voice, of which he is not entirely clear about. This doesn’t necessarily discredit him, but does raise issues about the credibility of his technological application. As for the Ghost Box itself, there is a completely rational explanation for how it works, and why people believe they are speaking with the spirits of the dead or extraterrestrial intelligences. Here is a brief explanation for how the Ghost Box actually works: By using a repetitive scan of AM radio channels, a combination of broadcasts and static noise will occur. This is similar to turning the radio dial on your car stereo system quickly. What will be heard, are a combination of stations broadcasting music, commercials, news, talk shows, and some static noise. These ongoing broadcasts communicate names, places, times, dates, and numbers, and other wordings. When the Ghost Box is used, typical questions are asked, such as, “What is your name?” or “Where are you from?” or “How did you die?” and so on. As the Ghost Box scans through these AM channels it will produce jumbled names, places, and numbers etc. that are commonly broadcast. This is not even “white noise” from which the so-called spirits of the dead or extraterrestrial intelligences speak through. It is merely the broadcasted signals providing the words as they are quickly scanned. Many supporters of the Ghost Box argue that the answers they receive are not random, but are very specific responses to their questions. To explain why this occurs, a few rational explanations can be provided through psychology.
There are a few things people need to consider when using a Ghost Box. In doing so, the so-called responses obtained from the Ghost Box will be better understood. According to psychologists, there is a phenomenon called Pareidolia. It is defined as a type of misperception involving an obscure stimulus (an image or sound), which is perceived as something clear and distinct. This is a common phenomenon in EVP analysis. If this phenomenon is applied to the Ghost Box, it becomes obvious that the responses provided through it are given a greater sense of attention. However, this does not address the argument made that the Ghost Box provides specific responses to questions asked. An explanation for this involves Subjective Validation/Personal Validation Effect, whereby a person will accept a statement or other wording to be correct, or valid. In other words, when a person asks a question during the use of a Ghost Box, they will be paying attention to words reflecting an anticipated response. Any other information that is scanned throughout the AM channels will be ignored. What the Ghost Box amounts to is a condition of cognitive bias!
The Ghost Box is not owed to coincidence alone. This is not what is being suggested here. Instead, something familiar is occurring here in regards to other paranormal hoaxes and frauds that have been documented. In a similar fashion to mediums using Cold Readings, the Ghost Box provides responses that match or are relevant to anticipated answers or statements. What this amounts to is a technique of spiritual deception. Frank Sumption has provided the Ghost Box to various individuals who have used it for such a deceptive purpose. According to various reports, Frank Sumption has made only a few of these special boxes, and only for certain people. These recipients only receive a Ghost Box on the instructions of “spirits” given to Frank Sumption. Again, according to various reports, one such recipient is a man named Chris Moon, who uses the Ghost Box to charge people money in exchange for communication with their recently departed loved ones. This is no different from the techniques used by modern Spiritualists, who exploit grieving people for money.
Despite the rational explanations offered here in this article, the supporters of the Ghost Box argue that it is a scientific device capable of obtaining messages from beyond the grave. Since the Ghost Box is regarded as a form of EVP technology, the supernatural theory is that the spirits of the dead are made-up of energy. It is for this reason that many believe that ghosts can also be detected through EMF (Electro Magnetic Field) detectors. To continue, since EVP is based on electrical signals, ghosts can influence or manipulate electronic devices such as telephones, radios, audio recorders etc. Although EVP is not being questioned here in this article, the Ghost Box is, especially based on the supernatural theory just described here. Previously explored above, Waldemar Bogoras’ unintentional recording of disembodied voices had nothing to do with electronics or electrical energy. His recording was mechanical. It cannot be considered an EVP because it is not electronic/electrical. The OCPRS theory is that perhaps any recording device can be manipulated by demonic entities. For that matter, any object can be manipulated to convince humanity that there is power in objects, enabling people to use those powers in some way. This is not what the promoters of the Ghost Box believe, and naturally, no one expects them to. Technology has become a mask for which unsubstantiated beliefs are sheltered by unscrupulous paranormal practitioners.
Science is once again misapplied to technological applications in the field of paranormal investigations. There are, of course, credible paranormal researchers – who, being objective – are putting the Ghost Box to the test. Perhaps with their testimonies and experiments, further conclusions can be made about the Ghost Box in an objective fashion. However, the OCPRS, Toronto Canada does not accept the explanations or the “science” behind the so-called Ghost Box. In light of the psychological and rational explanations, and how the Ghost Box is being used to exploit people, it is most likely a fake; a FRAUD! All the Ghost Box really accomplishes is to promote unsubstantiated beliefs about the paranormal. In doing so, the direction of those beliefs can be used to manipulate and discredit paranormal research.
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Frank sumption
February 21, 2011
So why preach to the choir? The only people interested in the BS explain it all away articles are the skeptics that don’t accept anything anyway, but seem to require almost constant reenforcement of their intellectual superiority. Easier to explain it away than do any real research, after all–American–science has all the answers, all is known and all had been discovered. Just keep repeating that, out loud if at all possible.
BTW, I can’t mass produce the junk, that’s why there is only a few out there. Plus the fact is, it is only one method of many that supplies a “raw audio”, but not having done even a second of research, you wouldn’t know that! Raw audio being the bits of speech music and noise that the entities use to form thier voices. Tell a room full of people that just heard the same thing out of the box it was just their imagination.
As far grieving requests go, I ignore those. It’s been my experience that you can create the voices you want to hear. More debunker fodder perhaps, but we are spirit, and these EVP methods can just as easily pick up our thoughts.
The use of the box that I recommend is to record, do not ask questions, as this biases the mind to create/look for those answers, then listen from tape—yeah analog tape is what I prefer. However, this is always ignored in favor of the more accepted ghost hunter BS, run around the dark and try to catch something. I still don’t know how to dial up up a spirit! The box, BTW, is a frikin’ radio, the tuning is swept, and the sweep can even be done by hand, nothing magical about “the box”.
So, go ahead with your false assumptions, and disinformation–it ain’t gonna matter. So, jump up and down like all the rest of the skeptics do and call me names–yeah, that’ll make this all go away.
Frank Sumption
OCPRS
February 27, 2011
Mr. Sumption,
I thank you for your response. The reason for the late acceptance of your comment was due to a technical problem I had.
And no, I am not calling you “names,” and nor do I wish to. I would also like to thank you for clarifying what your methodology is in using such a device, and to also point out that the article addresses the methodology to which you do not approve of.
The purpose of the article is not to offend you, but unfortunately I see that it has. I can only assume it is because it speaks out against your personal beliefs. For this I do appologize, but that is not my intent (to offend your beleifs). Instead, I would encourage you to regard this article as to what a sceptic believes, and objects to how a technology is missused.
Sincerely,
D.
Dillaran Martin
February 7, 2013
I have a TV series coming up and we are going to open up a Ghost Box and see exactly what it does. We will have analyzers connected to every wire to see what is happening. The group opening it up are Electrical Engineers from Motorola’s radio division. We will also have a scene which shoes that the term EVP is incorrect. There is nothing Electronic about it other than the recording device. The Phenonema is “physical”. It is a physical source that we cannot see moving the air to transmit sound. It does not matter what you record it with. I actually hurt the leader of Ghost Hunters say that EVPs have been around since the 20s. Wait a minute, Electronics did not exist until 1947 with the invention of the transistor. So EVP recording began in 1947 probably much later. The question is, what did they call this invisible physical phenonema in the 20s? It certainly was not EVPs actually they were called “Spirit Voices”. The correct term that we are going to push is PVP or Physical Voice Phenonema which is what it truely is. When we speak we are the physical voice, when a ghost talks it then becomes a Phenonema, and we have Physical Voice Phenonema because we sometimes can hear ghost voices with our own ears which means something is pushing the air and creating sound waves just like a radio speaker does. We would like your feedback to this change. Also, I think that Frank Sumption created the ghost box? Anyway, the second half of his comments are totally true which is why our investigations we be like nothing you have ever see. The show will be called: “Ghost Engineers, the Science of Ghosts”. Also please let me know what you think of the name since you will be our audience…our life blood.
– Dillaran Martin, The Ghost Engineers, http://www.GhostEngineers.com
Joe Depaola
December 2, 2014
I love skeptics. When i lived in a haunted home not one would stay over for a week let alone do a evp session. Just makes me laugh. Until you experience a real situation..video..audio..physical..ext dont judge.
mike
August 9, 2014
I am not convinced that the ghost box is a fraud because Demetrius said it was but presented no evidence to back it up. he just said is was a fake. I would be more convinced to the evidence people post in videos utilizing ghost boxes. that is more convincing.
Angie Diego
October 2, 2014
I was excited to watch some ghost boxes at work until I realized there were some prerecorded words getting cycled, also much talk radio (that is why AM radio is preferred), and also one scammy device which just repeated what the investigator asked! It is a shame this cannot be real, and it is a shame that Frank has now joined his ghost friends on the other side so he can babble nonsense into phoney spirit boxes for teenagers everywhere. Fail
Brian from EPI
September 26, 2011
Does this device taps into EMF? or just RF? so now the dead have RF receivers and transmitters? This seems to be the basis for your “Box” and do you have RF spectrum analyzers set up to verify? If this is the case then when I drive my car I can just wing threw my radios stations and talk to the dead? Cause when someone catches a “true” EVP there is 99.99999% chance your also catching a Electro Magnetic occurance on the scientific side. Enough said dont fall for this junk….sorry if I offended the ITC people of America. Paranormal investigators need to have viable data if we want to be taking seriously.
CPRS Toronto, Canada.
September 26, 2011
Hello Brian,
I’m not sure if you are asking us (CPRS, Toronto, Canada) or Mr. Sumption?
The biggest problem I can see is that the “Ghost Box” does not experience anything other than man-made broadcasts. The numerous recordings that people have sent us have only fallen in line with what we have discussed in our article.
As for EMF, the “Ghost Box” (like other electronic devices) will produce its own EMF since it requires a power supply and that power is utilized by the device itself. As for “tapping” into EMF, are you suggesting that the “voices” originate from a form of energy found in the electromagnetic spectrum? If so, we disagree. As for Radio Frequencies, we also disagree.
Can you please clarify?
God bless.
Frank Sumption
September 29, 2011
I would try to explain the box, but as usual with all these paranormal expert twits, y’all have it all figured out, know all the answers, nothing left to dsicover, all is known, just sit back throw out these idiotic statements and idiots eat the crap up! So, you think you’re gonna be a frikkin’ zombie inthe after life, no awareness, no thought, not capable of any actions. Try doing some real research on EVP and messages receved by all electronic means going back to when electricity was invented, then tell me how you know so much FN better. Absolutely frikkin’ clueless! Who’s making money on this fraud? You fuckdorks in the paranormal!
CPRS Toronto, Canada.
September 29, 2011
Mr. Sumption, there is no need to insult people. Lets be painfully honest here, you have deceived people into accepting a device from which you claimed to have received from an alien entity that calls you his “princess.” If this supernatural-being gave you the plans in order to communicate with entities beyond our natural world, then how did it contact you before the plans were given to you?
I recall having to delete one of your previous vulgar messages posted here, but I think I will leave this recent comment up so that people can see what kind of person you really are. As for real research, YES! real research has been conducted and many of your followers have forwarded their “evidence” to us for analysis. Their “evidence” only confirms what we have researched prior to the article being written. Your followers have helped us re-confirm our conclusions.
If you cannot conduct yourself respectfully towards others, then you will be censored. This blog is not intended for immature and rude people. If you do not wish to respect others here on this blog, then perhaps you should go somewhere else.
As for your assumptions that we are making money from your device, you are wrong. We do not receive a penny for our efforts. You are simply upset that not everyone has blindly accepted your world views, but that is ultimately your problem. Perhaps you can consult your alien friends and get some advice. As for insulting people who explore the paranormal, what would you say your own communicatio/encounter with an Alien was? (The pot calling the kettle black?)
With respect,
D.
Angie Diego
October 2, 2014
A-holes charging $200-$400 per “ghost box” modified radio shack radio are the ones making money
Rhonda McLeod
November 22, 2014
He certainly got that right! Mr Sumption went to his grave anything but a rich man, so where’s the fraud?! May his soul find comfort in an existence where he won’t have to continually defend his integrity. ❤
RK
September 29, 2011
How do you explain away the fuck you’s and “slut” and “whore” and various other cuss words and phrases that would be censored and not be heard on the radio…..so when a whole room hears someone shout out “fuck off” and calls whatever/whomever it was, that sid it out, and then get an “oooppps sorry”….wheres that come from? They dont say tfuck off on any radio stations I know of in this country. Just wonder if theres some sciencey bs answer to why those words would be lurted out!
CPRS Toronto, Canada.
September 29, 2011
RK,
And you have recorded such communications have you?
Brian from EPI
October 25, 2011
RF – cell phones, baby monitors, HAM radio, CB, should I go on? Did you monitor RF while you did your investigations?
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
October 30, 2011
RF? I just noticed this portion of your response, but I would like to respond to this as well.
First, in all our investigations cell phones are off. Baby monitors/HAM radios and CBs, etc. etc. Some examples for you to consider: If other people nearby are using any of the things you mention, there is always a slim chance of RF pollution, but only if applied to ridiculous methods (such as the “Ghost Box”). As for standard EVP tests, RF pollution is always captured on the recording in various ways. We don’t bother trying to measure for RF pollution except to note everything observable (or heard) and relate it to the various sounds recorded. We also compare the digital reorder data to the video audio to help narrow down the possibilites of noise pollution which may be confused for actual EVP.
In homes where we are invited to help people who believe they have a problem (most are not paranormal in the end), we test while everything in the house works as normal. Then we run the same tests with the power to the house cut completely. Battery operated items are emptied of their power supply as well (especially baby monitors). We don’t make it a habbit to include equipment intended to measure RF pollution which may be in the proximity (such as the neighbors house for example). We find that we don’t need to do such things because we don’t use the “Ghost Box” in our investigations. The “Ghost Box” was an item investigated and not an apparatus used by us while conducting investigations. RF pollution exists everywhere, as does EMF. There are problems with the tests you ask us about. They don’t always confirm RF pollution. For instance, a digital audio recorder used during a video recording may produce two very different sets of data. If any paranormal phenomena occurs on one, but not the other, a measurement of RF pollution doesn’t really help qualify the data. You see, paranormal phenomena is not exclusive to the electromagnetic spectrum (unless this is what you believe, and if so, where is your evidence?). Most “ghost hunters” are convinced that ghosts are electromagnetic in nature based on misinterpretations applied to science (namely, Physics – Thermodynamics). I’m not sure how your group qualifies any data as science or paranormal, but I am certain you believe that what you are doing is science, but really it is not. When you do encounter the paranormal, your equipment cannot explain what you have encountered. That is up to you to determine, and as I said before, a philosophical system is necessary. The problem is, however, which belief system do you apply to your “science”?
Frank Sumption
September 29, 2011
I’ve been insulted and disrespected damn near everyday for the last ten years by these twits that have absolutely no technical knowledge what soever, do no study on the history of spirit communication, yet proceed to tell me what the boxes really are, how they do and do not work, and who can use them, many claiming to be the world’s top box experts. As far I can see, most in the so called paranormal are freaking nuts, most just want A fear rush, and claim to be world class investigators.
Frank Sumption
September 29, 2011
Ok, I apologize, after all these years you’d think I’d know there just is no way to get through the human ego,
CPRS Toronto, Canada.
September 29, 2011
Mr. Sumption, you are right that there are many who explore the paranormal for thrills and hype up their abilities. I don’t think our group (CPRS, Toronto, Canada) does this. One of our main purposes is to expose thrill seeking phenomenon.
Where you say you have been insulted many times, I believe you. So have we, probably from the same category of people who have offended you. My point here is that people will be critics for many reasons (mostly just to offend other people) but there are others who do offer criticism based on perspectives that provide an opportunity to strengthen standpoints (such as yours or ours).
I would like to invite you to write an article about your box and how it does and does not works. I will be willing to post it here on our blog for the sake of objectivity.
CPRS Toronto, Canada.
September 29, 2011
Mr. Sumption,
If you do take us up on our offer, you just have to send it to our email. I will not write a follow-up or a response to it. Instead, what I will do is provide a disclaimer giving you recognition for the article and that it is being posted here for the purpose of objectivity and a chance for you to clear the air and any other misconceptions which you are aware of.
I do hope you take this opportunity.
With respect,
D.
Frank Sumption
September 29, 2011
There have been many articles written–mostly it’s ignored. While there are many that understand the boxes and EVP, and get meaningful messages and contacts, most seem to be in “the paranormal” for reasons of lunacy and ego.
Yes, I get upset by these debunking efforts, but it’s a waste of energy and time, no one cares, no one is going to listen, most will grab a box or hack radio and proceed to chase limelights–not ghosts. Same as the debunker/skeptics–easy way to make a name for yourself–er themselves.
The box is one method of supplying what is known as “raw audio”, a term I lifted from EVPmaker meaning bits of human speech and other noise–forget white noise-. The entities, both human and non human, rearrange this raw audio to make their voices. It has little, or nothing to do with your EMFs. As I said the box is one way, there is EVPmaker, crowd noise, running water, wind and fans, a radio tuned between station—as in the “Raudive Frequency” , anything that has those human speech components!
The boxes use radio because the tuning of some digital radios can be done with a voltage. The voltage sweeps a radio across it’s tuning for the purpose of generating the above mentioned raw audio. Radio is just a convinient source of raw audio. I typically remove the tuner board from these digital radios, supply an external sweep, amplification, and power supplies, and that is “a box”. Nothing magical, just a raido– a source of speech, music and entertainment.
I’m guessing that you equally can’t understand how EVPmaker works, since you seem to not consider spirit exists in a higher state of being and awareness, having access to higher demensions of thought and action. They are not the Hollywood concept of whispy energies somehow caught here and incapable of thought or action. You also seem to be completely unaware of reports of spirits using telephones, computer printers and monitor screens, and other electronic means of communcation, same old “scientific” approach, ignore all facts and do no research on the history of EVP and ITC–instrumental transcommunciactoion. Consider for a moment–laying aside your knowing better–what effort it take to asccess our phone system from the othersuide, then claim they are incapable of any actions. “They” seem to have no problems at all in getting their messages through.
We have one of these “scientific” paranormal groups here as well, and they too ignore all facts and do no research. Dictating what EVP is and how limited spirit really is–somehow knowing all of this by virture of ego–I guess.
I don’t know how I got subscribed to your blog, maybe I tried to defend to boxes once, but I know where articles and statements fall with those claiming to know better.–on deaf ears. I don’t care if you accept it, I write this for the few honest people that do use various forms of boxes/EVP and do get meaningful contacts from them. To them I say, learn some basic electronics for God’s sake!
For the record, while I am not against one making a living, I do not support charging exorbinate rates for box access–aka– readings by these “psychic mediums”. It’s a frikkin’ radio, anyone can use it, there are no portals to afraid of, and even after ten years, while I get “bad voices”, nothing evil has come out of a box and eatten my brains. I don’t do prayers or any of the protection crap as that just tells the subconcious there is something to be afraid of, and you will create your own demons. I don’t make any money per se`, I get enough to almost buy enough parts to make this junk, and my labor–forget about it, unless you want to make something out of getting pennies, or less an hour for my work! So just where is this fraud you mention–and that is highly insulting. I do this crap for my own curiosty, and I do very much regret showing it to Chris Moon so he could take it public.
Frank Sumption
CPRS Toronto, Canada.
September 29, 2011
Hello again Mr. Sumption,
Your assumptions about us are incorrect and are not relevant to your explanations about your device. However, I do appreciate you taking the time to explain your “box” as well as your views on spirituality in general (regardless of how brief and non-Christian).
As for Chris Moon, I believe we pointed out how people such as him have hijacked your “Ghost” Box in an effort to exploit people. This, however, is not a reflection on you, but has done harm to your contextualization of your technology. In other words, how you believe it operates is being overlooked by the general public who stumbles upon it. The article does not attempt to associate you to the actions carried out by people like Chris Moon, but does associate the technology you have put forward. Our research and examination of “Ghost” Box recordings are reflected in the article. The fraud we identify is in a technology which claims to do something it does not. Once again, the article identifies why it does not work, and I believe I have also mentioned that many of your “followers” have forwarded recordings of their experiences. From these examples we were only able to re-confirm our own conclusions over, and over again. I am curious why you haven’t yet answered my other question concerning the “alien” who contacted you with the plans for your technology? Or is this something that you are retracting from discussions from now on? I am really curious about this aspect of your “Ghost” box.
With respect,
D.
RK
September 29, 2011
yes I have recorded such communications…….thats not all I have recorded either
Betsy
October 9, 2011
I’m brand new to the spirit box and read with interest all of your comments. We’ve used the spirit box on a recent investigation and received sentences which to me would be practically impossible to have picked up a sentence seeing as the box is scanning numerous channels. We also received a response to us asking our ghost-company what one of our names were. It said it twice, and it was an unusual name. Hayden. Upon further review, it also mentioned two other members names, twice. I’d be happy to share our findings and hear your thoughts. Feel free to message me. I can only speak for our group. We are a collection of professionals by day, and “ghost hunter” hobbiest by night. The ghost box, to us, is simply one of our tools. We arent insisting that people believe. To anyone who takes advantage of someones grief, whether it be a ghost hunter, psychic, bank manager, or a rotten so-called friend or family member – thats a personality trait /flaw- not a typicial characteristic of a demographical group. To whomever doesnt believe – thats ok. you wont sway my opinion anymore than im going to sway yours but i think we’d be rather self-centered and egotisical to think we are the only ones in this big universe.
CPRS Toronto, Canada.
October 11, 2011
Hi Betsy,
I encourage you to place your evidence on YouTube. Would be interested to hear an example of such profound examples (which have never been presented to us by any of Frank Sumptions followers or even from him).
Betsy
October 11, 2011
Excellent! I certainly will do that. I would love a few other sets of ears to hear and give feedback. Even my husband, who is very skeptical, had to admit there was no explanation to some of what we heard. We are half way through our evidence (two hours of recordings has taken us 3 hours to go through so far- and we’re only half way through). We recorded directly from the ghost box, into a digital recording system (thats my technical name for it, i can ask my husband what it actually is) and we also mic’d the room which included the ghost box. So when we found something interesting we could go back to just the ghost box recording, ignoring the room noises. We have made a list of the questions and what we as a group heard as a response. Being aware of the human nature to matrix, we kept our interpretations to ourselves and if we all agreed on what we heard, we documented it. If we couldnt agree, we noted as such. We also have as well, some curious pictures taken at the same time we could share. Most of the members from our group parted from other groups who were too extreme and more interested in jumping to conclusions that a speck of dust was an orb on a mission rather than trying to find an explanation. I’m sure the same could be said about skeptic groups. We like to think we are the halfway point between skeptics and believers. The one thing we aren’t for sure are followers.
CPRS Toronto, Canada.
October 11, 2011
Thank you Betsy, I’m looking forward to the evidence. Although I am doubtful, I will examine what you and your group of “ghost” box enthusiasts have experienced for the sake of objectivity.
Betsy
October 11, 2011
Thanks for your reply. I dont think “ghost box” enthusiasts is an accurate description of our group. Paranormal enthusiasts is more like it 🙂
I’m curious though, for my learning purpose. Is it just Ghost Box’s you take issue with or is it other Paranormal Groups outside of your own. I can totally sense frustration on your part and you’ve probably seen and experienced way more than we have but i am unclear as to where you sit on this topic. Whats creditable? whats not? I dont believe in demons as such, unless you count mean spirited coworkers, people who abuse animals or other people, and the occasional rotten mother in law.
Betsy
October 11, 2011
I’ve taken some time to look further into your group. I really hoped we had happened upon a group who see’s things objectively as we do, from a research point of view. Starting out your reply to me with “although i am doubtful” doesn’t really indicate “for the sake of objectivity” and to then stereotype us as “ghost box enthusiasts” made me really question your motives.
We havent made any conclusions on our findings. We have just collected data with the ghost box, pictures, video, EMF, temp. readings in hopes of other people reviewing it with objectivity. We do realize that the material collection doesn’t adhere to any scientific principals but do find it interesting, none the less.
I read with great interest your beliefs in Angels and Demons yet you can discount forms of paranormal activity. I think,from what i’ve read on your articles that you are a little far “out there” for me. We dont involve Christianity or our religious beliefs in our investigations anymore than i do in my day job.
We respect all forms of beliefs and everyone’s opinion. Maybe the reason why no one has shared with you is because you arent truly without biased. Thats where i think we differ. This is unfortunate because you may be missing out on some amazing things. . I will continue to look for a truly objective group. You do make some very good points on your website and i have learned some things. Thanks for your time.
CPRS Toronto, Canada.
October 12, 2011
Hello Betsy,
Objectivity is a methodology, and not central to our focus. Just as you say you exclude Christian beliefs from your paranormal investigations (where you stated: “We dont involve Christianity or our religious beliefs in our investigations”) but clearly the exploration of life after death does entail some form of philosophy and/or belief system. For example, Modern Spiritualism is one system of belief which has penetrated popular culture (especially among paranormalists). There are also people who have simply substituted the Ouija Board with a Ghost Box (among other items), and this is in itself a barrowing from the occult/new age methodology and is based on a belief system. By excluding Christianity, you have been mislead to think your views are objective but in reality you have ignored some essential truths about the spiritual world.
As for the “ghost box” even its creator has pointed out how it should be used, but most people seem to use it like a substitute to a Ouija board.
And no, people have sent us many invitations to listen to their recordings. If you noticed what I said, was that we have not received claims such as yours whereby the responses you received are sentences and not just isolated words.
As for retracting your offer, I’m not surprised. The claims you made don’t typically fall in-line with “Ghost Box” usage, which does not consist of sentence long responses (As you claimed).
Thanks for taking the time to visit us.
Blair Jett
February 7, 2013
Greetings CPRS Toronto
Complete sentences over several frequencies HAS occurred. Perhaps none of the evidence sent to you may not have sentences, but I have observed incidents where they have.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
February 19, 2013
Hello Blair,
I’ve noticed that the “Ghost” Box designed by Frank Sumption has a sweep control dial to slow or quicken the rate of channels, and in this way sentences can be much more forthcoming. The Hack Shack radios that have been adjusted dont all produce the same sweep rate, and some dont even allow for brief pauses on broadcasting stations. Any ways, the Hack Shack varieties that have been examined in comparison to the one used for the research have not produced any meaningful sentences and therefore do not qualify as such. However, I have observed sentences occurring through the “Ghost” Boxes designed according to Mr. Sumption’s specifications. Among these samples, the sweep control dial played a very important part in acquiring words which were later given context according to those who provided them.
You must understand that there is a huge problem with the “Ghost” Box based on the fact that open ended questions can be answered in a variety of random ways. Since the “Ghost” Box has a radio receiver, the broadcasting channels are the most likely source of the “voices” heard. If you like, you can also read the follow-up article, GHOST BOX DELLUSION. It gives a little more of an explanation with additional considerations, especially the “What If” scenario.
Cheers.
Laura
February 20, 2013
I have read about all of the above comments and find the arguments relentless.
I am not a scientist, but I am a serious researcher. No, I do not Ghost Hunt. Spirit is everywhere. I believe in the dimensions of life and levels we cannot begin to comprehend.
If you have ever experienced NDE then you will begin to understand. The majority of spirit trying to communicate is out of Love and the negative is so small. Ignore the negatives and give them no source or consideration. Simply pray for them.
I have tried many methods to ITC research, and am currently working on a prototype and in theory of a way to create a more human interface with higher level entities.So far, they are working with us and deciding if we are sincere enough to learn more levels.
Franks Box or any other device is simply….a Noise source……Noise as a frequency or of many frequency’s which energy rides on. Science knows energy does not die, but continues. Where does the energy from us go? Science does not know and as a researcher am still learning this and researching and coming to my own private conclusions and understanding.
Be Blessed,
ITCNAP
Brian from EPI
October 25, 2011
I was directing my comments at Mr. Sumption. I have read all the other posts yet he doesn’t validate any scientific data to verify any environmental changes when this device ” picks up a voice from the other side” why don’t you try this > Have 2 ( ghost boxes) run Simultaneously and see if you get the same results? Or can a spirit only focus on one box at a time?
Just as Betsy’s Orbs have two cameras next to each other and Simultaneously take a picture both cameras have a orb you may be on to something. Mind you the cameras are mounted right next to each other and both have a dual shutter release to take picture at same time. I feel sorry for Betsy and her group basing upon belief and keeping your mind open which I’m a believer of however if you want to bring ” real” data based on a occurrence you have to go further into the scientific realm. Betsy says data – did you baseline your readings before the investigation? do you have data loggers? How is your data acquired?
CPRS yes to give any accreditation you pick up EMF fluctuations during EVP sessions have you monitored a room or location and not had any EMF readings? was this room isolated? and did you have video rolling to show investigators and did you have a digital sound level meter in room during this? Was RF monitored as well during the investigation? Were any recorders left outside to verify outside contamination? Just curious if we want to be taken seriously we have to have data plain and simple
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
October 25, 2011
Hello Brian,
It seems like you and your group place a great emphasis on technology, and thats great. However, what we do is clearly not the same. I noticed on your face book page your comment about us. I really don’t take offense because you are not aware about our view on various technologies. Anyways, first let me say that our videos are not styled on “ghost hunting” shows, but are there to give a glimpse into some of the things we do. EMF is not something we are 100% about because there have been no studies to prove that souls/spirits/demons/angels are detectable through electromagnetism. I believe we included such statements in one or two of our articles. The tests you are suggesting sound excellent, but what we do is take reports and examine those through EVP, EMF, photography/video and use religious provocation in some circumstances. While we investigate those reports of “ghosts” and haunted locations, we are also collecting statistics on how often EVP or EMF has any measure of success. We don’t (as you suggested on your face book page) use EMF and get a spike and believe we encountered something paranormal.
I must say that your recommendations about conducting all those tests you listed sound more like you are trying to stress what you do vs. others. The fact of the matter is that most paranormal groups who emphasize technology often exclude the philosophical approach necessary in examining something that cannot be measured through science alone. After all, paranormal research is not SCIENCE. It is Pseuod-Science in most cases. The science you use seems to offer some rational explanations, and that does make sense. We do the same during our daytime investigations in order to rule out natural causes before investigating during the night when sight becomes limited. The only thing we believe science is capable of achieving is to explain something as naturally occurring (whether man-made or not). I think what you are asking of us has more to do with measuring us against what you do. We don’t care about “ghost hunters” and making documentaries. Thats not what we are about. On your face book page you said you are looking into us because you need data loggers? Again, not interested. What you do and what we do is very different. I wish you the best of luck and success in your own efforts and welcome your input (or if you like, our input if you are interested).
God bless.
Sheen
October 29, 2011
Noooooooooooooo Frank! Don’t be sad in your panties! Come here to you and let you pet you.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
October 29, 2011
Hello Sheen,
Please refrain from insulting Mr. Sumption. Yes, he is very verbally abusive towards others who disagree with him, but I would ask anyone (as I have asked him, although he continues to ignore) to refrain from mocking or insulting others.
ben sorensen
November 13, 2011
Seriously??? U post this BS I have tried the ghost box and it works. Complai abous scientific proof? Hey well your gh group has catholic in its name catholics are very science.
Not. Oh and. I have heard the words “fuck off kid” what kinda radio station says that at 2 am in the morning? Exactly.
mike
October 12, 2013
2am is exactly when radio stations can get away with vulgar language. Rap is completely uncensored at night in most places.
Zoulz
January 9, 2012
I’m not usually the one to defend something like a communication device for the dead, but I think it’s short-sighted to dismiss something completely simply because of your personal belief. There is no scientific proof that it works, and there is none that it doesn’t work. Some people seem to have had strong experiences with it, and although there is no proof of them actually communicating with dead people there is no proof to contradict it either. One of the foundations of science is critical thinking, and it works both ways. Even if something seems as incredible as talking to dead people, there is no evidence to back up any of the theories. However, I do think it is up to those whom claim that ghosts exist to prove it and not the skeptics to disprove it. If you have a theory, it’s up to you to prove it. Afterwards it should be tested and verified by other scientists. If they reach the same conclusion then that’s proof. And in the words of Einstein: “No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.”
I have no experience using a ghost box or even investigating paranormal activity but I do find it interesting. So to conclude, I don’t believe in paranormal activity since there is no proof of it’s existence. But I don’t dismiss it completely just because it seems unlikely. We have to acknowledge that we don’t really know anything for sure in this world. Even things that have been scientifically proven can be disproven at a later stage when new evidence has been gathered. That is the aspect of science that makes it the most reliable source. It’s self-correcting and always evolving.
Peace!
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
January 9, 2012
Hi there Z,
I’m not sure if you understood our experimentation and study of the device in question? To be honest, it is narrow minded to suggest that we are dismissing something that has indeed been examined. Even more, the answers helping to explain how these devices work, are the more reasonable explanations allowing us to make conclusions about it. Not sure what exactly you are disagreeing with here, but from the explanation about science you offered, I can’t help but guess that you are making assumptions about us. As for science, I thank you for your opinion and suggestions, but all you are doing is “preaching to the choir.” We do have sceince at our disposal and use it often. The article is not a hypothesis followed by an experiment and conclusion; the article served to share as much information as was possible and was preceeded by experimentation.
As for the scientific method, I wonder if you ever received anything scientific from those who have faith in the box? Most who have used it simply use it like a Ouija board, but that is not science. “Ghost Box” users don’t examine the device scientifically. All those (INCLUDING ITS CREATOR) have only defended their practice which vulgar and abusive language. Not once did any of them (and there were many of them with whom we talked with) provide experiments that can rule out any of the problems we outlined (which incidentally were part of the conclusions gathered following some experiments with a “Ghost Box”) These “Ghost Box” users accept it at face value and reinforce their pre-conceived beliefs through its use. It is a self-delusion.
However, like all objects used to trangress the spiritual world, there can be instances of seemingly successful contacts with the “dead” but it is not the object that provides this link – its the person him or herself (but thats another story).
Thanks for commenting.
Wendy
June 17, 2014
Zoulz, Your comment is the first one in this thread that I agree with completely.
I bought a ghost box (the p-sb7, not a Frank’s Box) as kind of agnostic, and to be truly scientific about it I would need to have at least 2 of them set up to scan at the same time at the same rate where they would both have the same access to signals and both being recorded with identical equipment. One would be the control (no one in the room to ask questions or interact with it) and the other would be used as normal. 2 is not a great sample size (but would be enough if there were findings in either direction to design a better experiment.)
I’ve listened to mine (just one, because I’m fine with being unscientific having nothing to defend or disprove), sometimes just listening sometimes just writing down the answers. I’m sure there’s a lot that I’m excluding because I’m not manipulating any of the noises that come through and only noting what a) actually sounds like words from a single voice and b) has direct context to the questions I’ve asked.
I am being somewhat scientific in that I’ve made a stack of cards of random questions (example: What is the missing ingredient? Does your radio have diodes or tubes? How old are you? Where is the treasure?) I may have too much time on my hands, but it’s my time and I’m not harming anyone. I may also have paid too much for what’s essentially a small poor quality radio and I’m totally willing to accept that as a reality.
On the other hand, I’ve had some hits that are pretty convincing and if not paranormal then at least fascinating from a psychological point of view.
Brian from EPI
January 14, 2012
RK & Ben did you also know a ghost box can pick up other frequencies from planes, HAM, CB, walkie talkies etc…. and at 2am you may hear more curse words, thats where you may be hearing your swearing. But wait its the dead talking on AM / FM radio havent any of you driven and heard a CB or Plane transmition on your car radio? Zoulz did you know that a Franks box isnt sheilded so it will let in the other braodband frequencies? At best its crude synthesizer. It oscillates on the first sound it hears ask Mr Sumption what a “Random Voltage Generator” is. I agree with OCPRS no documentation just wishful thinking and wanting to beleive this thing works. We are now testing one and will be writing up an article on it and Mr Sumption if you would like to talk to us about it please contact me.
thomas bedley
January 16, 2012
I have been experimenting with the ghost box for about 2 years. I have gotten many sessions of nothing but, I have gotten some sessions with very crystal clear feed back. One session I took 3 objects, a flashlight, a tomato and a wooden carved elephant. When I held each item up and asked what they were I received an immediate response very loud and clear. My best communication was about one year ago, A spirit, I believe it was one, asked me what I was going to do with the $1284.47 that I had received. I told the spirit I had no idea what he was talking about. The spirit then replied saying my name, yes Tom the $1284 dollars your statement you have. I still had no idea what he was referring about. He then said, help mike with the money. I thought nothing of this session then, 5 days latter I received a check from my life insuarance company for $1284.47 stating that I had over paid in to my retirement annuity for the last 4 years but, what really freaked me out was that several weeks latter my friend mike told me his home might be going in to foreclosure. I must say that about only 10% of my sessions are clear and audible but, when they are clear the questions I ask and the information I receive is so accurate and precise that it scares the crap out of me! I just wish I could get some tips on how to enhance the clarity of the sound and also which is the best type of ghost box to use. Do I think the box really works? well I’am a very skeptical person when I’am introduced to anything, I have to try it over and over again for a lenghty period of time before I give my evaluation of what ever I’am using. Again do I think it works? yes I do. I think it works but not as often as I would like it to and it does not work for me every where I go. I have tried to use it in several places countless times and have not received good results and I have tried it in other places with great results.
Darryl
January 17, 2012
I must say after reading through all of these comments that I am not sure where any of you stand. Does any of you really believe that there is life after death? Is there good or evil? I am sorry but science can’t always explain what is going on. We can spend millions of dollars to try to recreate an event with out any luck. That does not mean it did not happen. I can tell you that I have recently started investigating the great beyond as some would say. I have been to 5 locations and have done video and audio. Each location I have voices not my own not anyone that I know not anyone that was near to me and not alive anwer my questions. I have some of them very nicely answering my questions as well as them trying to scare me. It is not my goal to prove to people that don’t believe that ghost exist. I know they do and people that have experienced them also know they exist. For those of you that don’t believe I feel sorry for you. That is something you will have to come to terms with.
Mr big
January 17, 2012
I cannot believe how ignorant and uninformed this man is ! 20 years in the study and I have had two way conversations this fool needs to get out and see the world and stop being a Penn n Teller !! I used to make fun of people who saw big foot until I spent 30 feet from one in 1993 in the swamp for 40 min. So Sir you may want to go in the field and spend some time. Unless your just a bible thumper trying to poo poo it ? Hard core sceptics don’t phase me anymore they don’t read or experiment they just read Wikapedia by teens and blurp crap It’s the Sam hell truth !
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
January 21, 2012
Hello Mrbig,
Not sure who you are calling “fool” but please refrain from insulting people who leave messages. Be resepectful and offer evidence, not just opinion.
Thank you.
Mr big
January 17, 2012
To all Christians I don’t want to mess up your faith but you all just work from one book handed to you. Heres a book THE LOST BOOK OF ENKI. (you will like it actually) its full of Biblical stories. Only they are thousands of years older more accurate and it’s not some cockamamie control directive assembled by Constatine with ghosphals deleted to keep the veil pulled over your faces ! He was not the only one shown a cross in the sky I had a race from Aldabaren The Anunakkis show me they create at least us anyway . And to really throw a wrench in it all The Grays have been building a new human race that is pure and not warlike as those from Nubiru are and we ! They have been building a case againsted you ! And me and the moment we poison our planet again and destroy souls they will use what’s coming out the cow arse and use it in the Federation of planets located in the 5 the octive to re populate this planet it’s a slow process but they have been doing this for 50 million years not 100 years or 1 million as those on Nubiru and yes there is a group in our Goverment that has know this since 1936 So don’t take my word read what was taken from 800 tablets (Thr only way to store information here for a million years ). There are many species penetrating our sky’s and there is some scary shit going on. If Christians would get off their high horse and open there eyes you would see that infinite intelligence and the law of one is the only god not some bearded man in the sky wake up ! Your ancestors are just floating around The more you hide from the truth the more confused you will be when your time ends .
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
January 21, 2012
Mrbig,
Your views on Christianity are strange indeed.
Taylor
January 21, 2012
I want to buy a ‘ghost box’ where can i buy a working one? price range would be wicked between 50-200$ if theres any out there for that price. Plz let me know and if i get one and it works ill post videos on youtube about the voices I catch responding to me (if they even do). Thank you.
I C Y
January 26, 2012
Hi all,
especially hi to OCPRS and Frank Sumption,
I start saying that I never saw a ghost in my life, I never had any kind of paranormal experience in my life and I’ve been in several haunted places with friends and by myself and the only fear I had was the one of getting in trouble with the cops for trespassing lol
Only a friend of mine thinks I had one and I tell you what it was.
I was driving down to an haunted bridge around midnight and while I was getting close to the bridge I decided to turn down the radio and put the windows down.
My radio was kinda stuck, I was on the Sirus (factory installed) and the volume was stuck, I think it was going completely off without fading and I couldn’t change the channel, I was stuck on the 80, electric area at the time cuz this episode happened in spring/summer 2010, but on FM and CD everything was working just fine, and I was also able to power the radio on and off. Then by the time I got home everything worked just fine again.
I believe it was something with the car and the radio and my friend believes it was something trying to communicate with me, also I went back there few other times in the day and in the night again and nothing happened since than like in every other “haunted” places where I’ve been in the past.
The “most haunted” I’ve ever been was called Villa Melano and it’s in Italy, in Rivoli near by Torino. Now I think they are building an hotel or something
Anyway my question for you is this one,
are these “entities” able to understand and answer in any language?
Is it possible that “they” don’t want to communicate with us?
and if so why?
Do I scare them? or am I not cool enough for them? lol
Thanks in advance for your reply
I C Y
January 26, 2012
I meant to ask in the end if it is possible that “they” don’t want to communicate with me?
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
January 27, 2012
Hello ICY,
Languages are not something we consider a limitation to demonic manifestations. However, in the case of the spirits of the dead, perhaps there are limitations involved, but we have not done a proper study on such cases (for example, the dead returning to the living from Purgatory asking for prayers for the dead is a good place to start. Perhaps in these examples, one may determine if the visitation is multinational or not).
Hope that helps.
God bless.
Darren Andrews
January 29, 2012
I too have been involved in this crazy stuff for 12 years now. I have spent thousands of dollars on equipment over the years not to mention the hours. There is NO NONE that can claim they are specialists in this field./hobby not even myself. But no one can critisize any tool that is used either. There are many things that have been invented for one purpose and people have found other uses for them in the real world. I do believe it is important on how people use any device. Just because something is heard through the device alone means nothing. If it is caught on many different types of equipement, over and over again after many years, thats is interersting once non paranormal things are ruled out (which are 99.99%of the time) . I have caught many things on recordings over the years, are they paranormal, perhaps not but indeed very interesting and unexplainable thus far. I know something lurks out there in the dark and light just not ready to say they are ghosts yet..But weird stuff is going on no matter what your beliefs are.
Paranormal Researchers of Ontario
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
January 29, 2012
Thanks for commenting.
nikki
April 4, 2012
I own a ghost box. I dont always have communication. When i dont its just a jumble of mess an u canr understand anything thats being said because of the channel sweeping. It sweeps to fast to understand anything from the device. When i do get communication you can definatly tell the difference between the two. Its always the same voices too. Theres a man that calls the woman a whore an she tells him dont touch her. So on an so forth. Theres a child. An these are different sessions from time lapses like weeks an months.
firsidh
April 5, 2012
Fascinating, as one who is well versed with (though not fluently) with Biblical Scriptures and with a keen interest in Paranormal investigations, I found the comments and responses to this article as well as the article itself very fascinating,
While I found a direct attack on the Ghost Box a little unfounded, I whole heartedly agree on the views expressed in the article about it’s use by many groups.
I feel the need to state though that how the device is used is not indicative of the devices accuracy, and at this time in Human History speaking with the spirits not passed on science cannot prove the existence of Spirits or God, but that said, those of us that believe do not need proof. personal experiences are just that personal, and cannot count as proof for others.
I have my own thoughts and believes on this issue, and in between my personal opposing thoughts, I have the cold scientific medium. and that is what a ghost box is, cold science, not the warm fuzzies of proof,
given the technical make up of the Ghost Box, and the fact that the manufacturers even state the device is not intended for proven scientific research, it is but one of many devices utilised by “Ghost Hunters” in it for Genuine Hard Core Research, for those seeking only to entertain (make money) and those out for a bit of fun.
while Science may be able to state that matter becomes energy, thus lending to the Death Cycle of Humans and other biological forms, there is NO means in which to trace the transition of what we call the Human Spirit from the dying body to wherever it may go afterwards.
I for one, cannot dismiss the Theoretical concept of the Ghost Box, without reverse engineering each and every single one of them to see how it works, before I can say it is a fake device (which in this era of MP3 players would not be that hard to do) or a genuine RF/EMF/IR detector/sensor. IC Chips can do a heck of a lot more than most people think in a much smaller size than most people would believe possible.
Nor can I dismiss a theory that Spirits understand all languages due to God’s influence as cited in Genesis and the Story of the Tower of Babel.
I for one find it hard to believe that an earth bound spirit that has not crossed over would know how to speak a language it would not have known in life. but that is just my opinion and belief.
in any case, our differences of opinion and belief are what will one day lead us all to the answers,
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
April 5, 2012
Hi Firsidh
Thank you for posting your views on this subject.
Steve Phillips
May 5, 2012
So once again something that may help in the investigations of the paranormal are made to be “mass illusions” for simplicity. I caught that the words heard are ones caught on frequencies while scanning. How does one answer that when a word is seen on wave forms, they cover anywhere from 4 to 9 or even more of these frequencies? If it is a word that happens to be caught how does it spread over a few?
It is amazing what disbelievers will come up with to try and explain away something that can’t be explained.
The paranormal/afterlife phenomenon is a field just waiting for true, scientific analysis. Those who have spent any time in the field know something is there, regardless of what the naysayers believe.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
May 8, 2012
Hi Steve,
Can you re-explain what you are trying to point out? Your statement is somewhat confusing.
As for what you say about scientific analysis, where is yours? Maybe you were trying to say something scientific, but you were not very clear about what exactly you were trying to say? Would like to hear from you.
As for doubting the doubt expressed in the article, I’m sure someone who believes in science (as you claim you do) can still appreciate the fact that science (in this case psychology) does provide some rational explanations. Its too bad that when “ghost box” users bring up science, they ignore the science presented here.
nikki
May 23, 2012
You’re annoying with your hypocrisy. If people want to believe a device can enable people to speak with spirits; so be it. Who are you to deny them that? I don’t need science to tell me a dang thing;because I know the ghost box works. Have you personally used it?
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
June 2, 2012
Nikki,
The CPRS annoys you? Why is that? The reason is that the opinions expressed here conflict with your beliefs and you don’t want anyone or anything to conflict with your beliefs. For some reason, Christianity “annoys” people, especially those who participate in occult practices and philosophies. If you don’t like what is presented here, and if it truly “annoys” you that much, then don’t read the article.
The growing interest in the Ghost Box has prompted the CPRS to write another article concerning the Ghost Box. Perhaps that will annoy you as well?
nikki
June 2, 2012
I have u know I do not practice the occult or anything of the sort. I am a southern baptist. I am just simply interested in what the deseased have to say. I know God exsists an I know ghost exsist. The energy that was their soul survives and if it wants to it can do good things and bad things. Something as simple as talking thru a device shouldn’t be to complex for them to do. Not everyone has the same beliefs. U shouldn’t JUDGE someone for thinking they can speak w the dead thru a radio or what not.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
June 2, 2012
Nikki,
Its interesting that you should claim that the device communicates with “ghosts” because according to the creator of the “Ghost” Box, he believes (as do many ITC enthusiasts) that they are communicating with “alien” intelleginces (or “higher” intelligences).
As for your opinion that I should not “judge,” you shouldn’t either. You have judged in favour of speaking with the dead (which certainly even Southern Baptists prohibit biblically). In fact, the CPRS is not “judging” anyone. Its the technological claims that have been examined and studied. If that is offensive to you, then perhaps you should ask yourself what precisely it is that you are “judging” the CPRS about?
Mea
May 27, 2012
After reading this article I would say that it did appear to be an attack on Mr Sumption. The box appears to allow paranormal contact and gives an immediate response to the asker. I am sure as shown on many ghost hunting shows having a recording device on is also a good idea. I have also read other reports and listened on the radio as others talk about spirits making contact through running water, perking coffee pots, and even fans as mentioned by Mr Sumption. I think a person who is curious about the box and does want to send money to some one is capable of making his or her own box as direction are on the Internet. Instead of being hateful and publishing such an article maybe a better direction would have been speaking with Mr Sumption and understanding his view of the box.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
June 2, 2012
Mea,
Its unfortunate you think the article is “hateful” when it has nothing to do with promoting hate. This is often a response I receive from those intimidated by the truth.
As for running water, fans, etc. “White Noise” is used to define any number of sounds/frequencies which can be produced by a number of things, even a bee hive with bees buzzing about. Anyways, my point is that “White Noise” has been sensationalized by the ITC spiritualists.
Mic
May 27, 2012
Lol people are so funny trying to be politically correct about everything. Ghost-boxes work sometimes some places, and sometimes they don’t, the same as digital recorders alone or anything else. Your intentions and attitude have a lot to do with that. Ignorance feeds upon/supports ignorance, pride upon pride, love upon love=) Remember this and know it is the truth. Truth always conquers error, and that is regardless of our personal opinions. A lot of these spirits/ghosts/entities are so intelligent and enlightening that it’s amazing. Then you do have the dark/evil/ridiculous ones who only want to cause trouble.
Steve
June 11, 2012
I, like others here, have had a ghost box now for a couple of months. I don’t get results from every try, but the 10 % mentioned above is close. A lot of garbled voices most times, but every once in a while a clear, distinct, relevant answer comes through.
I have likened it to an audio Ouija board. I don’t get results on it either all the time, and a lot of times the messages are unintelligible. Others are spot on.
I have found I get the best results on FM, scanning backwards at 200 millicycles. Scanning backwards eliminates any unlikely catching of words on an FM station, unless of course the DJ or song is quick enough to cover 7 to 10 hits on different frequencies in 3 seconds. AM works for others. I have had no luck there.
Other skeptics claim the use of walkie talkies. That is most ridiculous. walkies usually don’t carry very far…most in the 4-6 mile range. Then there’s the fact they don’t work anywhere near the AM or FM bands.
Ghost boxes are relatively new in the paranormal field and most still don’t know how they work…just that they do.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
June 11, 2012
Hello Steve,
You may be interested to know that another article is in the works for the “Ghost” Box. The CPRS has received numerous recordings of “evidence” from people who were outraged with this first article. The second article is much more detailed and provides other considerations that were not included with the first article.
I hope you will read it once it is posted.
Trey
June 17, 2012
Assuming this article is old, the newest versions of the spirit box will sweep at such a rapid rate that there is not interference in the white noise created. I’ve specifically witnessed sessions where questions were answered in the same voice with responses not always expected. This ruling out mind tricks. I understand that many would think believing in ghosts would go against the theory of Christianity but I think it could support it. EVP records can at times be a stretch for me personally. But the spirit box is very credible.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
June 18, 2012
Hi Trey,
Interesting. I would like to note, that EVP (as it has been traditionally experimented with through people like Konstantin Raudive) seems much more credible than the `Ghost`Box, but everyone has their preferences.
My concern is that people using the Ghost Box spend more time trying to communicate with `spirits`than to try and identify with what or whom they are speaking with (when of course communication is genuine). Yes, the article is not recent. However, there is a follow up article posted, which you may like to read. As for the speed rate of the sweep, there are considerable questions (problems) that arise from this feature in both Frank Sumption`s boxes and the Hack Shack variety.
Thanks for posting and would like to hear your opinions or views on why the `Ghost`Box is so popular.
Elizabeth
July 29, 2012
Now, I heard about this gadget about a few years ago and have been following technical explanations as time goes on. So I was interested in reading another view. I have to comment here. After reading this article and the slew of comments that follow, I understand Frank’s knee jerk reaction to it. The title reads “THE “GHOST BOX” FRAUD”. While it catches the eye, it can instantly enrage someone who believes in the device.
While it may be your opinion, you cannot end an article with statements like: “In light of the psychological and rational explanations, and how the Ghost Box is being used to exploit people, it is most likely a fake; a FRAUD.” and not expect a defense from your audience. Fraud is in caps, for one thing, drawing the eye right to it and keeps it lingering in the mind. Fraud is defined as “noun: deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.” The very structure of the closing statement is pointed directly at the box itself and infer that s it’s purpose is to deceive. Moving up in the article you state, “What the Ghost Box amounts to is a condition of cognitive bias!” and other subtle nuances that “attack” (if you will) the box itself.
This is a delicate subject involving a man’s work and what people believe. I’ve had personal experiences, but I’m waiting for the science to back it up. I feel that this box is a tool to be taken apart (as done in the article above) and explained. I’m hopeful that we’ll find proof of life after death, but I don’t know if I “believe” just yet.
This article does give technical and rational views on the subject that I was looking for but, there are there are a few unnecessary statements that seemed… abrasive. If I were Frank, I’d have a few words. The same type of abrasiveness comes off in your replies to reader comments, which is likely contributing to repetitive backlash.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
July 30, 2012
Hello Elizabeth,
Where you say Mr. Sumption should have a few words…well…he has said more than a few words, and in his typical fashion he would rather react excessively hostile rather than defend his so-called invention (which others in the past have made the same claims towards, and one person who comes to mind is Meek – look him up).
The article is not here to promote ambivalent forms of spirituality; the occult or new age, and so on (as does the “Ghost” Box). Furthermore, the articles presented by the OCPRS are not intended to be “objective” and “open-minded” as most paranormal researchers pretend to be. For instance, you stated that you are waiting for science to “back it up”? Who are those scientists you are waiting for? Thus far, when science is applied to the “ghost” box by the OCPRS, most people simply ingore those aspects of sciene that have been applied. You are not the first to state that you are waiting for science to confirm your experiences. Until then, you are simply objecting to the less than favourable revue of the “ghost” box. The backlash the OCPRS experienes is nothing significant. It is typical of ITC Spiritualists who cannot defend their claims, and who are being threatened by Christian opinion (the very same opinion they reject and are hostile towards, and the reason for their partaking in other forms of spirituality). The OCPRS cannot make such people happy. Whether abbrassive or not (matter of opinion) those people who exclude and dismiss the Christian opinion wil always react negatively to whatever is presented here on the OCPRS blog. That is the reality. There is no “objectivity” in exploring the spiritual world. People take sides. However, you are standing on the side-line waiting for science to validate what you practice when using the “ghost” box. I’m not trying to be abbrassive with you. I’m just being direct with you.
Besides the abbrassive aspects of the article which you have singled out, you haven’t really commented on the science (something you claim to be waiting for) presented throughout the article(s). If you are waiting for scientists to say something, will you reject their opinions as abbrassive if they do not confirm your beliefs and practices? What do you intend to do?
em
August 21, 2012
Firstly forgive my lack of knowledge on you. I notice your name is ontario catholic research society, and as i have no further knowledge of your group other than stumbling across this article after myself seeing some ghost box sessions on you tube. The most clear evp i have found from a man called jonathan (highlife) look him up. I wanted to ask do you believe in ghosts/spirits/demons? If so do you believe that they communicate with us and how? do you believe in evp recordings such as those recorded on equipment such as dictaphones and other basic recording devices? I appreciate there needs to be some scientific research, however surely science does not answer everything. slightly off subject i know but dont the majority of scientists believe dark matter exists without actual proof or knowing what it is. Scientists etc assume dark matter exists as they require it to, to fit there calculations. They have endless research etc but they believe it without hard fact. Research on twins has shown a link where the twins some how communicate telepathically. There is no hard fact for this but it is known and accepted by most that twins have an unusual link. My point is that there are many unusual occurrences in this world and sometimes science cannot answer everything no matter how much we need it to. It would be great for alot more serious scientific research to take place in this area but we should be mindful of the fact that some times things cant be explained and all wrapped up in a nice neat little box, but dont you think it would be a shame if it could. I dont think we can dismiss the so called ghost box completely as it cannot be 100% proved of disproved at present and perhaps Frank has been offended by the article although perhaps yours pushed him over the edge as he has had to deal with alot of abuse im sure, however you are giving an opinion/view. Some people on here cant handle someone elses view if it doesnt match their own. We all have our own views and shouldnt force them on others.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
August 30, 2012
Hi Em,
Many of the answers to your questions are spread out through the OCPRS articles. As for science, I agree that it is limited in explaining many unusual occurrences. My point about science is not to give the impression that it is absolute. It is not. However, those who use and promote the “ghost” box misuse science in attempt to validate their claims. When approached with the discoveries made by the OCPRS, not a single “ghost” box user (including its creator) have addressed the real scientific issues and questions presented in the article. Wonder why? Best ask them.
God bless.
Cameron
September 2, 2012
Great debate here! Love it. Stumbled across it when researching the ghost box and what its tech purported to do and how it works. It seems many here take a defensive posture solely on the “Catholic” portion of this groups name… Christian haters maybe. Which is their opinion… I’ve been there. Grew up a bit though since. But at the same time “D.” while trying to remain cordial yet convicted has a few biases as well. Meanwhile Mr. Sumption just seems sick of the lot of ya over all these years and probably has a soar back from carrying that large chip on his shoulder. Love the energy and willingness to explain againn for the thread.
But like most arguments the “truth” more than likely lies somewhere in the middle (or even the far edges beyond any of our conceptions). All the debate over what form of energy and communication these “beings” reside in/on or can hear/manipulate coupled with the infinitesimally small options of communication/tech/waveforms we have discovered and can exploit is silly and HIGHLY speculative regardless of which side of the debate. You argue whether its “demons” or “ghosts” or “aliens” as if those were the ONLY 3 choices and that RF just HAPPENS to be a manipulable form by the this “other side”. Being an open minded skeptic I’d be more apt to look at subconscious auto-psychokinetic imprintation first BEFORE assuming we’ve magically dialed into inter-dimensional beings that need our help. But to each his own. I’m not discrediting Franks box, this group or any of the beliefs here… but seems smart to me to start with the most plausible first and work your way out to the less plausible. Otherwise I’m just wasting my time as a serious paranormal investigator who’s TRULY looking for the truth.
I think we’d be WELL advised to pay attention to recent discoveries in the quantum physics field and how apparently ALL existence (regardless of dimension) is apart of and can be measured on this level… and I’ll assume (for testings sake) that ghosts, demons and aliens aren’t exempt from this. Sure, nothing hackable from RadioShack to measure quantum interference but it sounds like a better place to start. If you believe in non-linear/cyclical time I for one would LOVE to find out EVP’s ended up being our future selves just screwing with our current selves for kicks! 🙂
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
September 2, 2012
Hi Cameron,
Thanks for posting. Your comment was very different from what I am used to encountering lol. More than welcome to post here and express your views for the sake of objectivity.
God bless.
Frank Sumption
September 4, 2012
Quite correct, for me at least, “ghosts” are small percentage of what comes through. Most seem to think ghosts are the Ghost Hunter definition–some braindead, unaware, no longer human entity supposedly stuck where ever they/it died. That’s just stupid! These spirits exist in a higher demension and as such have full access to us–in this lower demension. Yes, there seems to be a negative of deceptive level–so what, they are here living as well, who cares, and who focuses on them? When they come through the boxes and or other methods, I ignore them. Oh yeah–spirits travel, you don’t have to hang out in grave yards with your box and K2 meter.
Other methods; I have said many times the box is not the only, or the best method of spirit communication. Anything that provides some form of human speech that can be manipulated works as well and in some cases better than these boxes. Such as, the foreign language method, tune in a short wave station broadcasting a language you don’t understand-I like Chinese, announce you are doing an EVP rcording, and record directlly from the speaker. It seems to help if the recorder is a short distance from the radio. I prefer analog tape, as in a cassette recorder. I only record a few minutes so it’s not so tedious to go through a session. On playbeack, mixed in with the foreign language will often be clear messages, in English. I know–debunker fodder, and who cares? http://soundcloud.com/oldmanalien for examples.
Another is tuning an AM radio between station when ther is skip, or distant stations fadding in and out randomly, and record. When they adress you by name, or cuss and swear, you can be fairly certain it is not broadcast radio. Ignore the freaking skeptics! They just want this, and anything like it to go away, and yes, some just need it to go away.
You can use crowd noise, traffic noise, sound of running water(yeah not speech), flip a TV rapidly between stations…..all of these depend on conditions that I have no idea how to predict, it’s like propogation effects from the other side, and they are not always able to come though.
There is always some idiot that somehow knows better about how the boxes work, or what does or does not speak, or how only they can properly judge it. I don’t care!!! I made this stuff for myself, I share what I do because a few out there are hionestly interested, everyone eles can bite me.
Frank
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
September 4, 2012
Been a long while since you posted Mr. Sumption.
Your assumptions about sceptics and/or criticism about your “invention” are clearly not effective in dismissing the rational and even scientific concerns. You have yet to address those problems. I would also like to direct your attention to the Ghost Box Delusion article. You can either be hyper sensitive to criticism, or address the problems. Your responses will either validate your claims, or confirm what others have expressed about your “invention”
By the way, your responses have more to do with defending EVP, and not your device. In fact, EVP is not the issue here. Its your “invention” that is being examined (not Electronic Voice Phenomenon in general). Rather than confuse what is being questioned, I urge you to pay attention to the fact that the “ghost” box is the focus and not EVP. Lumping everyone who doubts your “ghost” box into the same category as those who reject EVP altogether is clearly an attempt on your part to confuse the real concerns/issues.
Also, please SHARE (since you are interested in sharing with others who are interested) how you selected the name “purplealiengirl”
Derek
March 1, 2013
I’ve been reading through all of these replies to the article above. If this truly is the real Frank Sumption replying on behalf of the device he has created, then I would say that all of his credibility has been tossed out the window by his INABILITY to SPELL. Seriously. It’s like reading an online reply typed up by a small child. Learn to spell correctly, THEN people may just begin to take you seriously.
Cameron
September 2, 2012
Sure 🙂 I love to stir the pot a little. I come from the advantage of having held a lot of different beliefs over my lifetime… somewhat of a “seeker” I guess you could say. So while I currently walk with Christ now, its only been after many, many years studying Eastern philosophies and mysticism, western “occult” and demonology, and classic paranormal phenomena. And I CONTINUE to stay close to these studies as views, technology and scientific discovery matures. I wasn’t always a practitioner of all these disciplines but felt it was VERY important to study and scrutinize any belief system for each usually held SOME grains of truth to be considered. Out of ALL of it though I have found only one irrefutable truth… we are all morons! 🙂 And i mean that in the most loving way. To think we are any smarter or learned than the Socratean view of a flat earth is only relative to our perceived cosmic intellectual superiority (which is the ONLY thing we’ve always been very good at). Lloyd Aurebach’s “ESP, Hauntings, and Poltergeists : A Parapsychologist’s Handbook” in the 80’s was a complete paradigm shift for me in my approach to spiritual and paranormal phenomena and is still applicable today in debates such as this thread. To assume all “ghosts” are dead-guys is a HUGE leap over dozens of other possibilities just as much as RF out of all the forms of communication (discovered AND undiscovered) just HAPPENS to be a medium these entities are able to utilize is like winning the the lottery 4 consecutive Saturdays… but still possible I guess. We know now that energy cannot be destroyed so even the conception of the “trapped spirits” of our former selves should mature beyond the chain dragging Jacob Marley’s we envision so often.. albeit not as titillating or “good TV”.
My point is… most of us actually seem to be in the same camp here generally speaking so lets stop dividing into stubborn micro-factions and squabbling over what we THINK we know, because regardless of conviction, we don’t. All religion, spirituality, the occult, inter-dimensional communication AND ghost boxes… its all metaphysics still… WE REALLY don’t know…yet. If any of it was fact, there wouldn’t be room for debate. That’s what makes this so much fun! 🙂 So everybody relax and lets suffice by knocking these IDEAS around until something rings true. Eventually someone will fail to fall off the edge of world and be back to tell us about it.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
September 4, 2012
Hi Cameron,
Yup!
Enki Bilal
October 2, 2012
Hi there! This post could not be written much better! Going
through this article reminds me of my previous roommate! He constantly kept talking about this.
I will forward this information to him. Fairly
certain he’s going to have a great read. I appreciate you for sharing!
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
October 8, 2012
Hello Enki, thanks and please inform your friend that if he would like to address anything written, he/she is more than welcome to contact me
D.
Shanna
October 11, 2012
Is there a way to link evp’s on this blog….I have captured an amazing evp and would love to share it. And I was using a “Ghost Box”
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
October 19, 2012
Hello Shanna,
I aim to try and keep this blog textual. However, if you like, you may upload your evp to youtube and send a video response to the corresponding video I have uploaded. I would have to examine the content of the upload and only to screen for offensive or abusive language towards the OCPRS and our purpose. Otherwise, I feel that your video may provide some balance and objectivity to the issue and people can compare and decide for themselves. How does that sound to you. Please let me know via the blog (here) or on youtube.
God bless.
Frank Sumption
October 20, 2012
http://soundcloud.com/oldmanalien/helpfind-imbleeding “–Help Find-I’m Bleeding-Jessica’s Here–Repeats slower” Presumably Jessica Rideway, I did not come across this until yesterday, as I do frequent short tests, I do not know the exact date of the recording.Via ghost box…
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
October 21, 2012
Hello again Mr. Sumption,
Thanks for posting. Your samples of evidence are more than welcome here for people to examine in order to make up their own minds.
God bless
Anthony
October 28, 2012
All I can say is WOW!..
I have found this article and all its reply’s very entertaining to say the most. I personally do not use the ghost box. As an investigator, I rather use just a plain recorder. An unlike some people, I want to prove how and where my data recordings are coming from. I also do not believe in the “science cant explain everything theory”. Science has done a hell of a job in explaining the world we live in and beyond. Without science, we would not be having this discussion. Look around you, science is everywhere. And what science has yet to explain today, it will tomorrow- because man is to curious to settle for anything less.
Regards,
Anthony
Frank Sumption
November 3, 2012
No, you already know everything about spirit, and non-human entities.
Who cares if yo0u get it or not?
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
November 12, 2012
Hey Frank, sounds like your still hostile about anyone addressing problems with your claims and technological approach. As for your sample, I don’t see how you provided anything except evidence supporting the arguments presented in the articles here. Would you mind giving some more details about that particular session?
Frank Sumption
November 14, 2012
The problem is the people out there that somehow just know better. Try to convince them that what was presented on Saturday morning cartoons aboutt ghosts is simply not true, nor is Ghost Busters, or even Ghost Hunters. All the Holywood movie–wrong. Yet, I’m the bad guy for just putting this shit out there. I don’t try to make money, I ain’t the one out there promoting fear crap for $$. Y’all don’t get the concept, and won’t try the radio methods cuz you already know it don’t work, so bite me!
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
November 15, 2012
Hi Frank,
No, your not the “bad guy” I totally believe that you are sincere in your beliefs about using technology to communicate with something immaterial, although you are not willing to define what it is you believe you are talking with. To be precise, you are not communicating, but simply collecting streams of data that you only put forward when it can be contextualized to some degree.
As I’ve stressed in the first article, Chris Moon and people like him are promoting technology and spiritualism in a very shady way.
The problem isn’t that people think they know better. The problem is your just as guilty as the skeptics who are in fact, disbelievers seeking to validate their disbelief.
I’m not sure if you have taken a look at the next article ‘Ghost Box Dellusion’ and I’m not even sure you really care to read what others have to say when questioning your views on the technology. However, ITC Spiritualism is something that is swept aside, and in its place, people believe they are promoting “science” but really they are not. The Ghost Box is highly suspect for the reasons outlined in the articles, and the technology and its application to speaking with spirits (aliens/ghosts/whatever!) has many practical problems in need of explanation. If not on your part, at least one of your colleagues. Yet, no one has presented anything to address the very real concerns.
You can pretend that your beliefs are “open-minded” but really they do gravitate towards ITC Spiritualism in one way or another. I don’t encourage skeptics (who are nothing more than hardened disbelievers) but I cannot ignore the fact that electronic technology is slowly but surely replacing the Ouija board.
EVP is controversial in terms of methodology, but not entirely invalid. The Ghost Box, however, has problems which no one of your supporters or yourself are willing to address. Either way, I will not “bite” you LOL Your always welcome to voice your opinions here and your concerns. More importantly, I look forward to the day you address the problems presented in the article. EVP is a fascinating subject, and if anyone can help clarify the problems and concerns, it should be you. After all, you created and presented the Ghost Box.
Later Frank.
Frank Sumption
November 19, 2012
“your beliefs about using technology to communicate with something immaterial, although you are not willing to define what it is you believe you are talking with.”
Huh? So you you want it all well defined? I know only that somehting talks that shouldn’t be there, according to all the brainiacs that think they run society. I think the first problem is that it removes the need for faith. Sesond, you’re not allowed to question authority of the bible that says not to question, and really not suippose to listen to spirits. I don’t follow anything that demands blind obiennce, that’s just stupid. I don’t care if he does claim to be your onlyest saviour, that’s another clue to it’s real identity.
I don’t have any of those religious hang ups and expectations, and I don’t believe the horse shit that is passed off as pananormal kinowledge, 99% of that crap is Holywood, and Scooby Doo cartoons. Most “paranormal researchers” want to believe spirit is somehow confined to these specific haunted hot spots and can not travel, instead of being all over, as has been my experience. They want to believe the dead are somehow deminished ,shadows of their former selves, incapable of any thought or action, instead of the reality that they have full access, and full awareness, and even more aware than us. You want to believe these entitiies could not possibly operate or influance a radio, or the signals there in. You want everything predefined and limited somehow. All tied up nice and neat in a little—ghost box.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
November 20, 2012
Hi again Frank,
Your views on Christianity are truly misguided, and your own blind obidience to an ambivalent spirituality has its own faults. You still avoid addressing the real issues at hand, and as long as you do that, then you can expect people to continue to see the flaws in your perspectives concerning the technological application of your Ghost Box.
Regardless of what you or I believe, it is the technology which is at the heart of the matter. I’m really not sure why you can’t address the problems outlined in the articles? Could it be that you are not capable of doing so, and if so, does this not concern you even a tad bit?
Frank Sumption
November 22, 2012
Well, first, I don’t read the articles. You people, you and the like are the ones messed up, and I don’t have time to sort that crap out. You would not believe me anyway, You don’t get the concept, it ‘s a freaking radio–any radio will do the same thing, you can manually sweep a radio and get messages, any radio, short wave included. DRV, direct radio voice, came long before I got into this, so go back and blame Marconi! You have to pull your heard out of your butt to be able to hear, not my problem you don’t seek to be enlightened. You want to cling on the that nasty negative religious crap–your problem, not hear to teach anything. How many billions have to suffer and die over the idiotic who’s god is best BS.
I was gonna try to be nice–forgiving, not possible with Jesus freaks, they always right, even if someone has to be stoned–literally. Sorrry, got no use for that vile crap!
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
November 22, 2012
Frank,
So, your objections here are not based on what you have seen in the articles? As you said, you don’t read the articles. Therefore, your objection has more to do with your anti-Christian attitude (as you have clearly expressed several times before).
If you don’t read the articles here, but are here to just to make objections, then you are not only wasting your own time, but have demonstrated your inability to argue against the problems raised in both articles. You haven’t addressed anything for just over a year now, but you have certainly been hostile for that time period.
You have only convinced me (and hopefully anyone reading these comments) what you actually promote, and are incapable of proving.
Frank Sumption
November 14, 2012
Hostile!?–Are you frikkin’ kidding me!? I have heard these idiot skeptics for ten years. All full of crap. They just want the box and EVP to go away.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
November 15, 2012
Hi again Frank,
Well, the good news is that EVP will not go away (but then again I’m not sure if thats good or bad). The problems with EVP will always be focused on since they represent what is questionable about the theories behind the applications of technology.
If you generalize everyone who questions something, and classify all of them as idiots, then really you are not defending your views, but are just evading the questions. As I stated before, skeptics are usually disbelievers in search of evidence to justify their disbelief. I’m not a skeptic of this variety. I simply see problems with how various forms of technology are mixing with modern spiritualism and giving life to a new spiritual movement that pretends science is the foundation of their faith in the afterlife. If that sounds strange, just keep your attention on what people (paranormal researchers, parapsycologists, etc.) are actually promoting. You can pretend to be agnostic Frank, but really, in this field of study (EVP) everyone gravitates towards religious beliefs in one way or another.
D.
Peace
November 12, 2012
And from this discussion we ended up no where.
problem solved : Believe what ever works for you and do not shut others down for what they believe works for them, instead encourage them and support them because their beliefs are just as valid as your own, “you” create “your” reality.
Love and Light
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
November 12, 2012
Hello Peace,
Actually, I have to disagree with you. The “tolerance” you promote isn’t tolerant at all, but plays on the fact that people want to reduce Christian perspectives to nothing. Where you say “their beliefs are just as valid as your own” that is not supported by simply being “tolerant”
Also, where you state: “you create your reality” this is another problem. If the imagination and intuition create what is real for people, then there is no need to discover answers to confirm or deny something. It is the multitude of skewed beliefs and ideas that have reduced the question of the afterlife to a joke and has even caused many to abondon the belief in an afterlife. When we recognize reality for what it is, the imagination and intuition still help us confront it. It should not be us who create “reality” because this isn’t reality at all. Recognizing reality by means of knowledge, faith, and wisdom are all important. Simply creating our own reality leaves spirituality empty and it then becomes something altogether ambivalent and fruitless. I believe people prefer this over Christian belief simply because ambivalent spirituality does not include consequences in the afterlife. People are then free to sin but because they no longer reconize their wrongful actions as sin (due to ambivalence) they are not facing the reality of the afterlife. Thats the problem with ITC spiritualists (like those who use the “ghost” box).
Alwyn Brannewyn van Deventer
December 3, 2012
I accidently came across this article, and started reading the comments. I thought it was pretty entertaining. Especially the section directly above my comment.
On the one hand, you have someone who has developed a method which he states can be used to communicate with spirits, and on the other hand you have someone who points out all the flaws in using this method.
What I’d like to know, is who predetermined that they know what will, and what won’t work. What is and what isn’t possible. So yes, who says that the method of Frank can’t work or is flawed, and who says it isn’t? If you can generate words from raw data that do not contain those words, then perhaps it is a real message / response. Or perhaps it’s bits and pieces of words that together form these new words. The fact is that the OCPRS can’t just say that it’s flawed when they too, in reality have absolutely no foundation to speak from. Do THEY know who and what spirits are, what attributes they have and what limitations they have? No they don’t, so how can they say that something is flawed and doesn’t work? At the same time, one can’t also state that the device works with 100% certainty.
What I find really interesting is that people speak of ‘evidence’, yet to know that something is evidence, you need to know what is NOT evidence. To make that distinction you need to know something about the thing you’re investigating. So who here knows enough about spirits to say that these devices do or do not work, and where did the original knowledge come from that enabled them to say these things? Do you really know what they are made of, or are you assuming what they are made of, and then base all following pieces of equipment on these assumptions?
I think if we think about this in detail, it’s all based on assumptions, and no one knows for sure. So for a person to point out the flaws in someone else’s method, at this stage, is flawed in itself in my opinion.
Alwyn Brannewyn van Deventer
December 3, 2012
Furthermore, and I’d like to point this out just to put my previous comment in context – who says that spirits are even real to begin with? These ‘hunters’ are out there to find them, and are looking for proof to confirm that they do exist, yet we have people arguing about which methods work and which do not when in reality no-one has any definitive proof that they are real. I watch these shows and see how people use these EVP detectors, and some of the sounds are really not clear, and require a great leap of faith to accept that it’s spoken words, and then another great leap of faith to assume that whatever you heard came from spirits, who live in a higher dimension of whatever.
It’s all assumptions, followed by more assumptions. Who’s the person that confirmed that EVP’s record spirit voices? On what grounds did he determine that it was voices, and that these voices came from spirits?
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
December 4, 2012
Hello Alwyn,
I’m sure you are trying to be objective here, but when you say who has the right or the qualifications to give opinions, I think your reasoning is flawed since even your own argument points out that no one really knows everything there is to know about spirits. In terms of being qualified, objectivity doesn’t resolve anything and avoids recognizing the arguments. For what purpose? Not sure.
Taking the neutral ground and trying to be objective is fine (some people like playing it safe), but I don’t believe in “grey” areas. I believe that things can be explained black and white in terms of resolving issues. The problem is that Frank Sumption has never explained his “invention” properly AND he has even contradicted himself. How so? Initially he claimed two-way communication through his “Ghost” Box, but then changed his application to recording the “Ghost” box’s “raw audio” (as he calls it) without asking questions and anticipating responses. Is Frank qualified? In my opinion, no and the reason has much to do with his conflicting claims, inability to resolve the problems associated to his methodologies, etc.
Is the OCPRS qualified to question the “Ghost” Box? Absolutely, and here is why: Countless “Ghost” Box recordings were given freely to the OCPRS and examined; “Ghost” Box usage was observed and used; alternate applications (suggested by Frank Sumption) were also used (such as slowly moving the dial of a radio to “sweep” the “raw audio” manually); a psychologist was consulted; an electronics engineer was also consulted, etc. etc. etc.
The conclusion is of course an opinion, and in terms of being qualified I believe that your problem here is that rather than examine the arguments, you seem to feel the need to question the individual offering the arguments in order to ignore the hard facts.
Also, in terms of being qualified, the OCPRS has on many occasions reminded people that anyone who claims to be qualified in the field of the paranormal is delluded. So, if you are searching for paranormal qualifications, you will not find any (but if you do, could it be simply because you agree with the opinion and therefore not feel the need to question and doubt the individual offering the opinion/argument)?
I do appreciate you posting, but I can’t help but wonder if you are not yourself an advocate of the “Ghost” Box?
Cheers!
Frank Sumption
December 5, 2012
Y’all over think this crap! I started out in “EVP” by reading an article in October 1995 Popular Electronics, I had and have no preconceived notion of what spirit is was. It has become apparent to me, the living–US–have all the limitations, spirit will use almost any method to communicate the fact that they exist. Using a method that provides a raw materiel, or bits of human speech, that they can make voices out of seems the easiest, and clearest way to make voices. I did not invent this method, try researching Direct Radio Voice, or EVPmaker.
Even after tne years.. always that someone that just somehow knows better.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
December 5, 2012
Frank,
You had your chance. All you are doing now is rambling on about EVP, Popular Electronics, etc. Essentially trying to ride the coattails of others. No one is objecting to the possibility of EVP. As for telling others to research things, you would have realized that others do research if you took the time to READ what they wrote, but since you do not read other people’s articles and only ASSUME, then all you are doing is proving what a prejudiced person you are. Your Anti-Christian mentality is well known, and if you want to believe you are a Purple Alien Princess from a galaxy far, far, away….then good for you. In the meantime, you can complain all you want that other people don’t agree with your “ghost” box.
Like I said previously, for over a year now all you have done is complain, curse, and insult people without considering what they had to say. No one is making fun of you. People simply question your claims and the methodology of your so-called technological application to speaking with spirits. However, if you keep up your hostility and fail to provide proper explanation, address the concerns/problems, then eventually people may make fun of you. I personally don’t want to make fun of you but your persistence in posting here without any relevant purpose does show people what you are truly about.
Cameron
November 12, 2012
“I know what you’re thinking, ’cause right now I’m thinking the same thing. Actually, I’ve been thinking it ever since I got here: Why oh why didn’t I take the BLUE pill?”
I love this quote from The Matrix for a few reasons but first and foremost its representative of our fears of mortality, our pursuit of peace (or ignorant bliss) and the struggle with materialism and duality we deal with everyday. The fact that a mid 90’s action sci-fi script was tackling topics of consciousness and material reality that we are only today discovering through recent quantum revelations may be more accurate than we thought, is AMAZING and EXCITING!
What does this have to do with the “ghost box” you might ask? hehehe… I just think the arguments in this thread about how positive ANY of you are is pretty funny; the moderator, Mr. Sumption, or any of the other supporters or critics. The fact that most of us still cling to narrow preconceptions of what “death” is or is not, and how we as bundles of energy are not as separate as we thought we were from everything else that exists in the universe, and that distance and time are quickly becoming Newtonian views of a MUCH more fluid phenomena then we are ready to understand (or ACCEPT)… makes most opinions on here just that, opinions.
And even though I’m a EVP tech on a paranormal team, I still try to approach every shred of “evidence” with an open skeptics mind and understanding that the probability is I have NO idea of whats really going on. But hey! We’re all having fun getting there arent we?! I for one am thrilled that metaphysics, science, religion, philosophy and the paranormal are all converging in a way like NEVER before in our current age. Consider yourself incredibly lucky to be “alive” in this Age as things will come to pass that will make this “ghost box” argument so petty that we will look back and laugh at ourselves.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
November 12, 2012
Thanks for posting.
Alwyn Brannewyn van Deventer
December 5, 2012
Hi OCPRS,
I’d like to point out that I’m not an advocate either for or against the box. I too believe that there either are, or are not spirits – I do however concede that I can’t know for sure (for or against). I then go one step further and say that it’s not just me, but everyone else as well that don’t know for sure. So on what premise do people develop all these complicated pieces of equipment when they really have nothing to go on? Electromagnetic field….what….who said that’s true? I’m not saying it isn’t, I’m simply asking who said that it is. If you make a claim that spirits can influence this and that, then you need to be able to back up such claims, right? When I watch these shows and those meters jump up and down, everyone immediately states that there’s a spirit around them. Well, how do they know that? Yes, something made the meter react, but there’s a big difference between saying “something” did it, and a “spirit” did it. There’s proof for the one, not the other.
You mentioned about all the tests you guys did. Now I can agree that you can dismiss a piece of equipment based on technical grounds – like if you can see how the thing is manipulated in favor of the one using it, or how people are using it and then jumping to conclusions – and I’d like to compare my last statement to astrology where there’s absolutely no link between the source and the result in the claims. But then you are educated in engineering, programming etc etc – NOT the supernatural. Supernatural is just a name we came up with to describe the unexplained – but things like ghosts, demons, angels, heaven and hell are things that’s not confirmed to exist, so to then make claims that you have a device that can reach such mediums is nonsense. Whatever data you get out of the ‘machine’, and the claimed point of origin of this data are not linked by your machine in any way. You would need to prove that they are linked before the claim you make can be validated in any way. The link has not been made yet – if it has, the supernatural / paranormal would become ‘normal’ and a known fact. Atheists and scientists who don’t believe in these things would be complete idiots, in the eyes of others, and literally on paper if they refuse to believe in these things (and ignorant) – but that’s not the case is it?
I might sound a bit arrogant in that last paragraph, and I apologize if I do, but I’m not on ‘anyone’s’ side. If you can give me a good reason as to why, I will believe. And if someone can give me a good reason as to why not, I won’t. I need facts – before I have facts, we don’t know anything. We are reaching out blindly and grabbing onto anything we can.
And no, I did not contradict myself in my earlier paragraph. I’m neither for or against these devices being used to contact ‘spirits’. My issue lies with people making claims that it does or does not, when what they really should be saying is that “we THINK this does this and we THINK this does that, but until we have more evidence to support these claims we could be horribly wrong, or perfectly correct…we just don’t know.”
Regards,
Alwyn
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
December 5, 2012
Hello Alwyn,
Thanks for clarifying. As for offering scientific evidence to the existence of anything paranormal, or for the existence of God, that is not what the OCPRS does. Likewise, the OCPRS is not out to disqualify technology and science in terms of questioning anything paranormal. Instead, the entire point on technology and science is to understand why something occurs. The “how” something occurs is beyond the scope of science which is not designed to examine supernatural and preternatural occurrences. Addressing these issues is important and questioning, testing, and validating/disqualifying claims has more to do with identifying underlying motivators (namely, occult and new age philosophies, practices, and belief systems, which are simply taking on a new identity through paranormal research, parapsychology, etc.) Of course, whatever evidence the OCPRS provides doesn’t necessarily convince everyone.
So, the purpose of the OCPRS is not to provide you (or others in your position) with evidence to believe or disbelieve. To be honest with you, even Christians from other denominations (mostly Protestant variety Christians) do not agree with what is posted by the OCPRS. So, you should be aware that the OCPRS is not in the business of convincing others, but only providing a perspective on the paranormal through traditional Christian points of view.
What I ipersonally hope you could take from anything the OCPRS provides is a perspective concerning the paranormal, even if you don’t agree with Christianity. Anyone who needs someone else to validate something as ambivalent as the paranormal, is only asking for problems. I also can’t help but notice that people (in your position/point of view) are attracted to the paranormal. Some people do so only to validate their own beliefs (atheists do this as well). If you are looking for scientific evidence in order you to believe, I will be the first to tell you that there is none thus far on anyones part. The sciences existing today are not designed to measure spiritual matters, but may be used to speculate on them. Most people believe science holds the answers to everything, but this is a falacy. Equally, it can be said that religion/spirituality can answer everything, but as we know it does not. Interestingly, the evidence you are searching for is a part of a concern for human spirituality merging with science. This in itself is problematic since the overwhelming evidence reveals that any such merger between science and the paranormal often barrows from pre-existing occult and new age beliefs/practices, and sometimes even creates new forms of religion under the guise of “science.” I hope you can recognize this from all the articles the OCPRS has prepared.
As for having a problem with people who judge in favour or against certain concepts, I fail to see how you can honestly expect any evidence to convince you (as you mentioned) unless people do promote their theories and attempt to provide evicence. More importantly, when evidence is presented, will you simply accept it because you agree with it, or will you test it? I can’t help but see your point of view as counter productive and is contradicting your own personal world view. You can watch on the sidelines and question the plays other people make, or you can get in the game and become a participant. In the end, those qualified to speak on such matters have experience (and not people who simply wait for someone to tell them what is or is not true). A magician like James Randi is responsible in the sense that he will tell you that what he does is an illusion. An unscrupulous magician will present his trick as paranormal evidence. How will you ever know what is or is not true if all you are looking for is evidence? The fact remains that arguments will test the evidence. Otherwise, what you are proposing is basically taking a neutral, inactive position and assuming that truth will be obvious when you see it for yourself. Seeing is believing? Not always.
Cheers
soyan
November 15, 2012
Hello all
I think we should all take a breather here and do some reading,apart from all the mickey mouse ghost hunting shows that are on tv that have set alight a new craze,we need to look at the scientific evidence,may I suggest you have a look at Michael roll and Ronald Pearson,you can find a few interviews on YouTube,many of the great scientists have experimented with the communication with the afterlife, but didn’t have the mathematics to back them up we now have them down to Ronald Pearson,Russia have started taking Mr person’s findings and are putting them into effect,I welcome any effort from any individual who is serious in their quest for scientific proof of existance after death.
Yours
Soyan
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
November 15, 2012
Hi Soyan,
Yes, and Chris Carter is another good example. Yet, on the flip-side, there is also evidence to the contrary from a certain Dr. Persinger. He’s worth checking out also.
By the way, thanks for stressing the fact that television is indeed setting alight a new craze where the paranormal is concerned.
D.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
December 6, 2012
Hi Alwyn,
Sorry to hear that (about the music so early in the morning). Is the music any good?
Alwyn Brannewyn van Deventer
December 6, 2012
Not at all – but luckily I’m off today, so I could go back to sleep and sleep in late.
Krista
January 11, 2013
I purchased a Spirit Box around Thanksgiving of this year. I believed at first that this must be nothing more then radio transmission, snippets of words, etc..I spent a total of 6 weeks experimenting with it.The first 2 weeks nothing.
One day I turned it on at home while alone, I became distracted and walked out of the room for about 10 minutes.I walked back in and that’s when I heard clearly my name.I paused and then heard “come here”.
I asked do you know what year it is? moments later “I am not sure” was the response.
On Christmas while entertaining guests, I showed the box to a group of skeptics.To my amazement the box started calling out every persons name in the room.It was recorded, I had others who were not present listen to the recording and tell me what they heard, they all say the exact thing, I do not believe it’s just your mind making up what you want to hear. To many people all clearly hear the exact thing.
Another day, I went to a cemetery, I stood above a grave. The head stone had snow on it,I wiped away a part of the headstone and saw the name Laverne. I asked if Laverne was here.
A male voice said “Robert” then a moment later “Cross”, when I cleared the remaining snow off the stone to my shock Laverne was married to a Robert Cross.
I do not know mathematically what the odds are that this was radio/DJ snippets,and it caught the exact name at the exact time, but the odds to me would be more bizarre then it being a “ghost”
I think you are being rather unfair to Mr.Sumption, I am shocked with your research because you should have found incredible results yourself.
If you have, is there a site where we can hear/see/read your findings?
Mr. Sumption in my opinion deserves more credit then he has received for his work.
In my belief, we are communicating with something of intelligent origin,what it is I do not know.
But it is clearly more then ones mind making it up,or a DJ,etc..
One last thing that confuses me,are the skeptics on this page and the authors of this article Catholic?
I do not understand the logic if this is a Catholic Organization, these would be the same people who believe in a “Holy Spirit”, “He was resurrected from the dead”, “Walked on Water”, “Adam and Eve”, “Noah’s Ark”, etc..so in essence you believe the above mentioned, but the thought that a hacked radio scanning along stations could possibly be allowing a Spirit to form words, in your opinion is ridiculous?
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
January 12, 2013
Hello Krista,
You ask for results? Obviously you did not really read the article (or the other one, Ghost Box Dellusion). The LACK of any real results is why the articles state what they do. Many “ghost” box enthusiasts have sent their “evidence” and it keeps adding up to the same thing…no conclusive proof that the ghost box works.
As for not giving Frank Sumption more credit, how about his flip-flopping explanations whereby he introduced the device as a real-time EVP method but then back-peddles his methodology to simply turning on the device and not asking questions (or holding a dialogue). How about the fact that he has failed to address any of the concerns posted here for well over a year, but claims what he does is science? How about the fact that your own method (as you described in your post) is a prime example of what Frank Sumption ridicules and rejects, yet people like you defend his device simply because you watched a program on television (probably a paranormal show) promoting the “ghost” box!?
As for your shock that a Christian would post objections, concerns, and rational explanations against a practice of spirit communication, I’m surprised that you can’t understand why not? You even admit that you don’t know what it is that you are supposedly communicating with, and this is a concern about such practices that promote an ambivalent form of spirituality. Like other ITC Spiritualists, you are really not shocked, but simply upset that others do not agree with your beliefs. Your post is really a protest of the article and nothing more.
As for your testimony of the “success” you have had with the “ghost” box, its a fanciful story based on your own personal beliefs and bias. I have had numerous recordings sent for examination and they all represent the “successful” attempts that can be contextualized according to the questions asked by the ghost box user. Of the hundreds of recordings examined prior and following the articles, none have demonstrated anything that can be conclusively used to support what ITC Spiritualists claim. In the end, the articles are here for people who are interested in examining the “ghost” box.
If you feel that the articles challenge your personal beliefs, then the articles have already done their job and made you question what needs to be questioned.
Your welcome to post here, but the burden of proof does not rest on the OCPRS, but on Frank Sumption (who has refused to address the issues raised against him countless times). His inability to address the issues should tell you something about his claims. Therefore, your challenges against the OCPRS are pointless. You should turn your attention on the individual you have placed your faith in (Frank Sumption and his broken raidio).
Cheers.
nikki
January 12, 2013
Hey guys.haven’t commented in awhile. Look I know u don’t think this “box” works but it does. An u are right when u say we don’t know what we are dealing w coming through it. Let me tell u I no longer use mine! The last time I used it I believe we came into contact w Santana himself. Or at least it stated that it was. A person called on beezlebub an a voice came throu an said ill kill you. It was a very chilling voice. Several other voices came through an kept saying devil. On person said I don’t believe in the devil. An more voices said demon. I stated if anything had come through the. Box they were not welcome an must return from where they came. I haven’t touched it since. For my. Families well being an my own. I urge people to becareful when using such things. Evil can take advantage of the paranormal curious. Thanks nikki
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
January 12, 2013
Hello Nikki,
First, let me say its good to hear from you. I do enjoy having people (whether I agree with them or not) re-visit my blog and share their views, offer evidence, etc.
Now then, you describe occurrences which support the “what if” scenario I have emphasized in the Ghost Box Dellusion article. I hope you have taken the time to read that article since it is a follow-up to the Ghost Box Fraud article. I am glad you have set the “Ghost” Box aside, based on your concerns for your family.
In terms of the “what if” scenario, and when an object (technology) seems to produce results, I am under the strong opinion that demonic beings are simply manipulating our intentions (as you have suggested where you say “Evil can take advantage of the paranormal curious.”) What is strange about all this is how Frank Sumption has pointed out that he does not know what these “entities” are or are from. My guess is that he is trying to play it safe by avoiding any stance in order to avoid being proven wrong in the future. However, the ambivalence most “ghost” box users carry in their minds often leads them away from the possibility that demonic influence is at work. Your description of events and outcome is the first I have had reported on this blog or email. Thank you for sharing your experience(s). If you would like to write an article concerning this outcome and post it here, I would truly be honored if you did so. Personal testimonies aside from the OCPRS’s opinions and research may help make others more aware of the dangers involved.
Cheers and God bless.
D.
nikki
January 12, 2013
I could care less about Mr.sumption. it is strange on how he says he got the idea. But who’s to say it didn’t really happen an the form that came to him wasn’t some other being using that form to fool him into making a device for people to use to talk to spirits or so forth. An actually its a new way for violent or evil spirits & demons to gain a foot hold in our lives. If u look at it from a spiritual point of view it all makes sense. I would say Mr. Sumption was used as a tool. Just like u can have a bad spirit in ur residence an it makes u believe its a small child or such so u don’t make it leave. Its about the same concept. Deceived
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
January 13, 2013
Hello Nikki,
Very well said.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
January 12, 2013
Hello again Krista,
(Please note, what I am about to post is not to ridicule you or Frank Sumption, but is intended to draw attention to the extraordinary claims made by him in the promotion of his beliefs and methodology and application of technology).
I wanted to add that your support for the “ghost” box may change if you consider that Frank Sumption promoted so-called “prophecies” that he claimed warned of a comet hitting the earth, tied into the 2012 Mayan prophecies (which as you can see did not come true on Dec. 21, 2012). He claims to be some what psychic, a reincarnated purple princess from a galaxy far, far away. He pretended to be impartial to the “prophecies” he heard, but he did structure his email address around his contact with “aliens” who called him their “purple princess.” He did stress the doomsday prophecies he wished to share with others based on his “ghost” box. This is science? This is spirituality? No. The “ghost” box is an object (much like a ouija board) that causes people to fall into misconceptions concerning both science and spirituality.
I’m really not sure why you and others are so adamant about the “ghost” box. The ambivalence found in the spirituality that ITC Spiritualists like yourself seem to promote often leads to a lack of belief in the future. If you are Agnostic (as you seem to suggest) I am certain that your faith in the “ghost” box will eventually lead you to either become an Atheist or you will find yourself so deep into the tangled misconceptions of spirituality you may suffer both psychological or spiritual harm (something I do not wish for you or anyone, and this is why I oppose the “ghost” box based on the research already conducted).
Cheers.
RPM
February 14, 2013
I have used the my P-SB7 many times to communicate with Spirits. In those sessions have received many intelligent answers to questions. These were not random that I asked but things that only the these certain spirits of past loved ones would know. They really are to numerous to post here. Also when the Spirits are contacted the voice doesn’t come through as some random radio voice. It is the voice that the spirit had in life. I believe everyone has an opinion and their own beliefs but have any of the people or “Research” groups tried to use the device? Or are you just basing what your saying on what your have heard? Sounds like the latter to me. Also the Spirit Box should be used as a tool not a toy. This is very serious business not to just be messed around with. Also I would be happy to send my EVP’s to anyone. I do not post them on youtube though.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
February 16, 2013
Hi RPM
Not sure if you actually examined only sections of the article or took the time to read the entire thing? Either way, to answer your concern about trying the device, yes, but not the one designed/created by Frank Sumption. The Hack Shack variety was used.
Also, I would like to encourage you to read the Ghost Box Dellusion. That article may help answer some of your other concerns.
Rev. Mark Holt
February 16, 2013
My analysis of the “ghost hunting community” Gooes something like this; If you will notice almost 3/4 of the “Paranormal”groups are majority morbidly obese, Have multiple piercings And for some reason insist on wearing all black. They all have serious psychological needs for attention. What I think happened was we had a national crisis and all of the goth clubs and raves closed down. They got tired of hanging out at the trailer parks (home) and at Walmart, So the only thing that they could still do that was “rebellious” was start a gang That convinces very naïve individuals that there are “ghosts” Haunting various places in the United States or elsewhere. Let’s be honest with ourselves most of them are pathological liars and they really haven’t seen anything except for created mass hysteria in their “paranormal” group That they can brag about at the next ICP concert. In conclusion I have found that being the best paranormal team is much like being the best down syndrome kid on a bowling team for the special Olympics. -your friend, mark holt- (I am using speech to text forgive me for the poor grammar)
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
February 16, 2013
Hello Rev. Holt,
I must say that I disagree with your attitude towards people exploring the paranormal. Although many people are misguided, people have a desire to understand spirituality. After all, the questions surrounding the paranormal largely concern what happens to us after we die. What the OCPRS tries to do is to help such people appreciate what the Church has to offer, rather than the ambivalent forms of spirituality that are simply fashionable due to popular culture.
I must say, that using the Special Olympics to draw a comparison is not appropriate. People with physical or mental handicaps should never be used to try and allegorize misguided personalities in the paranormal community. That is completely unfair to the handicap who are not limited in the way you are trying to suggest. Also, those paranormal enthuasiasts are not misguided in terms of searching for answers. Someone using the title of “Reverend” (as you are doing) should realize how wrong your comparison is. Maybe you were trying to be funny. However, its NOT funny. I understand what you are attempting to communicate, but there are certainly better ways to convey your opinions which do not include insults towards anyone (handicap or otherwise).
In Christ, pray for me.
D.
Krista
February 22, 2013
Hello D and all who have shared their beliefs on the “spirit box”, I posted about a month ago regarding my view on this subject.
I have recently posted a video on you tube of a recent spirit box experiment.
Its labeled (spirit box session from Northern Wisconsin) by user fridaykiss8521.
I ask that you give me a few minutes of your time when you can and watch the video.
Its about 6-7 minutes long.
I am open to all thoughts on what you think is going on in this experiment.
Maybe I am hearing things, maybe its DJ’s voices etc..but please pay attention to the scaning numbers on the box. Notice it never even stops when voices come across.
I look forward to hearing your ideas regarding this video.
Thanks
Krista
Krista
February 22, 2013
One other thing, in a above response to my initial reply, I was told that “numerous’ to ‘hundreds” of EVPS have been sent away for examination, and they all proved to be nothing. Where are you sending these to for examination and what parameters are being used to deem them “fanciful stories”?
Krista
February 22, 2013
My Profession also causes me to question people and things that seem out of place.
The posting of “Rev” Mark Holt stood out as not normal.
So I googled his name, turns out he has a paranormal ghost hunting set up.
He refers to it as a “coven” and goes on about being possessed as a kid and he now travels fighting evil spirits.
This is no Reverend and his very own practices could be called into question.
knightkrawler
February 24, 2013
Who cares about the faked things? I don’t people who fake paranormal are shunned and skeptics are closed minded fools!
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
February 27, 2013
Hello knightkrawler,
Well, the OCPRS is not skeptical. The “Ghost” Box and corresponding experiences were examined for the purpose of either validating or rejecting it. As it turned out, it was rejected. Had the OCPRS (or other “skeptics”) judged favourably for the “Ghost” Box, would you believe that skeptics are “close-minded?” Obviously you have no idea what the objections are, nor why. Re-read the article and the ohter article Ghost Box Dellusion. Or are you the close-minded one?
Steve
February 25, 2013
Nikki…as with a ouija board, or any other means of communication, you must first ask that only positive spirits come through and that negative ones are not allowed. Not good to leave yourself open.
I only use my spb-7 at home as this is where my wife passed, and is where I get, and only care to get, responses. I do get responses from others, but occasionally I get a response that is definitely my wife’s voice, and is pertinent to the question asked. I also only use it at it’s fastest scan, FM or AM, and only in reverse so as to eliminate any possibility of false comms.
You, OCPRS, should change your name to OCP Debunkers, etc., as it’s clear you would not believe your own ears if you went out one night with pro researchers and heard for yourself.
Sydney Drew
February 28, 2013
my name is sydney drew from windsor ontario i am the founder of Enlightened Paranormal Research Society Located In Windsor Ontario. i will be testing the ghost box very soon i believe that the ghost box does work.. i have heard good things about it and i don’t yet know to much about it but to just say it’s a FRAUD is wrong .. you have to observe it’s use in order to say something so serious … so all you people who are saying it’s FAKE .. your wrong…
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
March 4, 2013
Hi Sydney,
Not sure how you are testing (and therefore researching) the “Ghost” Box but think the OCPRS conclusions are wrong, especially when the “Ghost” Box was examined. Also, where you say “so all you people who are saying it’s FAKE..your wrong…” is an interesting conclusion when considering you also said you are testing it. How do you know it works before conducting your tests? My guess is that you are posting here to promote your “Enlightened” group of paranormal enthusiasts (not researchers) to gain like-minded individuals to follow your exploits. Thats fine, but you obviously did not read the article(s) based on your statements posted here. Had you actually taken the time to look at the article(s) you would have realized why the word “Fraud” was used.
Cheers.
Joe
April 5, 2013
I belong to njrope a paranormal group and while I have used the ghost box and been on investigation’s with other team menbers using it, we don’t usually get any thing concrete.I have though used it in a house that was a previous fineral home.The question’s were the typical, what’s you’re name kind of thing.I got a name of a woman but kept asking question’s for about 15 minutes.Then I asked her name again and I got the same name again, now even though I got a name verification I still didn’t get too excited about it because I only use it in conjuction with other equipment. Like a k2 meter voice recorder, full spectrum camera.Now if I hear the name of the same woman on the voice recorder then I give it some merit.I see so many investigator’s think they have a spirit on the ghost box that they don’t even consider it a coincidence.I guess what I’m trying to say is , the ghost box is just a tool and one small peice of the overall puzzle when you put all the fact’s together.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
April 6, 2013
Hey Joe,
Thank you for sharing your views based on your experiences.
Steve
April 13, 2013
There is no such thing as coincidence! Everything has a reason.
Yes, the ghost box is just a tool but there are those who dismiss it altogether
I’ve had answers from voices I didn’t recognize, a voice or two that sounded really weird, then again I’ve had answers whose voice was the person I was trying to contact.
Not everything can be explained. Sometimes things just are, and you either believe them or not. What I find disturbing is when some force their views onto others. One either believes or doesn’t, for whatever reason, and that should be that.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
April 13, 2013
Hello Steve,
You said, “What I find disturbing is when some[one] forces their views onto others.”
I’m sorry you feel that the OCPRS is forcing its views against you. I don’t recall having contacted you or anyone else. If you found this blog and find it objectionable, that is another matter, but the OCPRS doesn’t force its views onto anyone. The OCPRS simply presents some Christian perspectives on subjects that often misrepresent or exclude Christianity altogether.
Cheers.
Frank
April 19, 2013
Hello all,
I respect both sides of the story and I’m trying to understand the technology side of things. The physical aspect versus the non-physical aspect. One thing I do not understand is why spirits only talk to us in the MF and VHF frequencies? What about the HF band? Has anyone communicated in the 3-30 MHz band? I also do not understand why we do not hear of more conversations through other wavelengths such as UHF (TV), except in fiction form with Spielberg, to longer wave lengths VLF or on the other extreme, microwave at 3-30GHz? White noise exists within the entire frequency range so I’m trying to comprehend the specificity of MF and VHF?
I would like advice please as to why more day time communication isn’t apparent? For a spirit, does it matter what time of day it is? I don’t know, I’m asking. I’m also trying to understand orbs? A Sony camera engineer in Tokyo I spoke with described it as being spectrum refraction on the front lens element (that has a dust particle on the glass) or refractions between the outer/inner lens elements. He said it might also be spectrum refraction or dust / moisture in the air in front of the lens. It could also be dust on the glass (back of lens) thats locks into the camera. What’s the other side to this please?
Thank you for your help.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
April 20, 2013
Hello Frank,
As far as I know, many recordings are made at various times of the day and night. According to Friedrich Jurgenson and Konstantin Raudive, some attention was placed on recording at certain times and specific days of the week. They even mentioned certain frequencies. However, those issues are largely tied into very non-scientific beliefs on their part involving “spirit guides” or what they termed “helpers”
As for orbs, please see the OCPRS article discussing this subject.
Thanks for posting and hopefully other readers will reply to you as well.
Cheers.
Steve
April 21, 2013
Frank, I don’t know about all the frequencies you inquire about. Would be interesting to find out. From what experience I have which is 3 plus years of trying to get EVP’s, ghost box replies, and orbs in my own house from where my wife died, My one “class A” EVP was at night while the box captures are mostly early morning.
Your orb description is typical from an engineer type with the closed mind. Not saying what he said doesn’t happen but not all orbs are dust, bugs, reflections, moisture. As I work nights, what I do is set up my camcorder on a tripod (a Sony with night vision before they stopped making them) and aim it at the section of the house with the box of her creamains, personal items, pictures. I’m sure you get the idea. It records for about an hour and when I get home I watch.
Long story short, I have over 100 clips of orbs, what I believe is her spirit light/energy. Sometimes right after I go out the door, sometimes while I’m still right there. There have been times one has came right up to the camera before I even hit the record button. My house is always closed up so there are no bugs. There is a distinct difference between dust and orbs. You watch enough it’s easy to see the difference. The camera is always out on the tripod with my house at a constant 45 % humidity so no moisture buildup here. Also I don’t always get a sighting while the times I do get one it’s usually in the first 10 minutes then nothing after.
I hope this helps some.
subseed
May 11, 2013
My message is for D. Although I hope Frank “Assumption” Sumption is also listening/reading. I purchased and used several different radio types for my experiments, after being fascinated by what I saw on Youtube. The P-SB7, the Radioshack 20-125 (modified), and the Ovilus III. Although the Ovilus could hardly be called a Spirit Box. Doesnt perform similarly. However, I digress. They are all supposed to perform the same function: Communicate with “intelligences.”
After reading the entirety of this thread … (PHEW!) I thought I might as well ask some off the cuff way out there questions. Like: “What is the name of my next door neighbor?.” and I was astonished when I received “Steven” on the Ovilus. Set to Phonetic Mode. Although it was the only time the Ovilus did anything cool, so it now sits off, forever. 😛
I have done 5 experiments total, with excellent results. twice, I used the Radioshack and the P-SB7 together, just to see if I could get them both to draw the same responses. I was blown away. I was expecting to get different responses, as they were scanning different frequencies at the same time. I asked simply: “What is my favorite color?” and like magic, immediately received “Green” said from both devices simultaneously. Now that was amazing. A coincidence? Not sure. But it was cool nonetheless.
For my remaining 3 experiments, I tuned 3 different “non-spirit-box” radios to total white noise. NO SIGNAL. VU Meter on one declared no dbs. So here we go into the questions… “How old is my dog.?” which was the only question that was answered. I received “Rusty.” Rusty has been dead for 14 years. Gave me chills.
So, my conclusions are as such (btw, I am a Masters In Psychological Sciences with Focus on Pediatrics and I have and declare no scientific prowess in technology or engineering): The spirit box is great fun to play with. Similar to a ouija board. Can scare you, can be fun. But its up in the air if it works. Love it either way. Thank you Frank for showing this to us. OCPRS ….. your article is callous. rude. and I would be surprised if someone who was mentioned in your article would not be or get upset. You do kind of make Frank sound crazy. That kind of bullying is not necessary to get your point across. However, you spoke your mind, and that also deserves some respect.
Cheerio!
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
May 11, 2013
Hello subseed,
Thanks for posting. I’m curious whether or not you conducted your experiments as a psychologist or as a parapsychologist? You did after all, identify yourself as a Masters in Psychology and it would be beneficial to all parties involved to recognize the mental process involved in spirituality and especially spirit communication.
Also, I would like you to identify specific details of the article(s) that are “rude” and “callous” if you please.
Your experiments sound interesting and in turn I would encourage you to read Ghost Box Dellusion and my latest article concerning the Ouija and ITC.
Once again, thanks for posting.
Steve
May 14, 2013
subseed….that’s how it goes. You don’t always get a response but when you do it is amazing. I have had direct responses with my PSB-7, yet at other times totally unrelated responses…but words none the less. Amazing yet, when asking of my wife something, getting a response in HER VOICE…unmistaken. Haven’t tried an Ovilus yet as my current endeavors are with video, combining night vision and a K2 meter
Off topic with the K2…I’ve only had it a short time but with 2 instances I’ve gotten responses that gave me goose bumps from my fingers to my toes. Obviously limited to yes or no, either / or questions, but so far way more than expected.
It is too bad a lot of folks go through their life with their chosen blinders, as with OCP. I appreciate you having this open forum however, and even some of your take on things gives me pause, but I am open minded enough for all possibilities where you are not.
And my immediate reaction to your sentence “Also, I would like you to identify specific details of the article(s) that are “rude” and “callous” if you please.” is some 10 year old saying the “I know you are but what am I” comeback. Really?
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
May 14, 2013
Hello Steve,
You really believe its childish to ask where you find fault with my article as callous and rude? I think the mature response on your part should be to clarify yourself. Just want to know, that’s all.
Cheers!
Allen Westmoreland
May 29, 2013
I have more then enough proof to show that a ghost box can and does work at-least with someone like me. Anyone that knows me will tell you that. I have let multiple people talk to there past love one and friends. I have lots of Paranormal evidence from orbs to rods to spirits and demons to aliens and heaven and hell.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
May 30, 2013
Hi Allen,
I’m curious to know what you mean when you “a ghost box can and does work at least with someone like me”
???
Allen Westmoreland
May 30, 2013
I am a sensitive/median you can say I am like a walking portal to the other side. I have spirits giving me evidence all the time from evps to photos that they leave for me or take the photos of there self. I am the only man alive and ever will be that can say they have a picture of Jesus Christ and a recording of him and Satan also.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
June 2, 2013
Hello again Allen,
Based on your two posts, you believe it is your psychic abilities enabling you to utilize the ghost box and other equipment to interact with the spirits. Would this be a fair assessment of what you are stating?
Also, your claims about Jesus Christ are doubtful, and I say this out of concern (not ridicule). Many have claimed similar experiences, and some claim to even have a video or photohraph of Jesus appearing to them.
My concern is based on the fact that demons may be manipulating technologies to lead people into prideful opinions of themselves and in turn, blindly accept images and sounds as truthful interpretations of the afterlife. Have you ever considered that these EVPs, spirit photographs, etc. are demonic in origin?
Allen Westmoreland
June 2, 2013
Yes I suppose my abilities is why they interact with me the way they do. But I know the difference between spirits and demons. I have dealt with lots of demonic entities and spirits there is a difference. A lot of the real strong demonic entities like to talk backwards. The photo I have of Jesus is very angelic looking also was a very strong spirit. It blurred out the corner of my hat and some fishing poles I had in corner of my room. At the time I took the photo I was making a recording and they were talking about wanting water. And then a Guy was talking about Jesus is coming down he is here. A women says thank you Jesus we got water and another one says God loves me. And then you hear the crazy sounding voice say you’re all forgiven. If you have dealt with anything like I have then you would understand.
Allen Westmoreland
June 2, 2013
I have also died multiple times from seizures and have cheated death by having to save my own life when I was chocking one day. I know if I would not had hit myself in the chest as hard as I could I would not be on here talking to you today. I could not breath at all in or out I ran in the house to try to drink some water and it just come pouring back out my mouth. I then hit myself in the chest and knocked the when out of me when I did it dislodged what I had stuck in my throat.
Allen Westmoreland
June 2, 2013
Knocked the wind* sorry using cell phone
Ian Kerry
July 8, 2013
People who dimiss the ghost box don’t have a clue what they are talking about,voicing opinions is no good without practical experience.I use the ghostbox and I have no doubt that it’s real ”the proof of the pudding is in the eating”
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
August 6, 2013
Hello Ian, since you say practical experience was necessary, perhaps you overlooked the mention of having examined and used a “ghost” box. In turn, maybe you should pay attention to what the articles actually say, and not just ignore the arguments just because you believe it works.
Dee
July 12, 2013
It’s hard to come by experienced people about this subject, however, you sound like you know what you’re talking about!
Thanks
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
August 6, 2013
Hello Dee, I wish that I could say that everything presented by the OCPRS is absolute, but all it really is is a perspective. Other Christian perspectives exist as well. I’m only here to try and share some views. But thank you.
Tommy
September 22, 2013
Do you believe that your Christian belief’s (regarding the occult) make you biased against what you hear?
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
September 22, 2013
Hello Tommy,
You ask if my Christian beliefs make me biased against the occult? In some ways it does. Just as bias rests at the heart of occultists and New Agers who exclude Christian view points, no one is truly objective. I don’t expect everyone to understand this, but being bias is not a negative word in all cases.
You asked if such bias impairs what I hear? It depends what I hear because I’ve heard a lot of crazy and strange things. Being a Christian doesn’t necessarily make me bias towards what I hear, and there have been instances where I have not labelled something as “crazy” and it has turned out to be true. I do want to say that although I do have my judgements against certain beliefs, I try my best to maintain respect towards other people of differing beliefs and opinions. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of others who hold a bias towards Christianity.
Hope this answers your question.
Cheers.
Jeremy
July 28, 2013
Well guys. Maybe if you stayed in a legit haunted house, hotel, cemetery, etc. for a night. Or watched paranormal state, you’d be open to experiences then being a stupid skeptic, who wouldn’t see a hole til he fell in it.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
August 6, 2013
Jeremy, thanks for sharing your expert view. By the way, what are you an expert of again?
Dillaran Martin
August 8, 2013
The Ghost Box is a fake as we will show in our upcoming documentary. A team of 3 GE engineers examine the box and the conclusion is that it has embedded software that is driven by the questions the user asks. Movie Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbxI2aHHNe8
The Ghost Box also randomly went off in the GE lab when nobody was speaking, and we know for a fact that the GE building was not built on any ancient Indian burial grounds, it was previously a swamp in Melbourne, FL. – The Ghost Engineers
Trace
May 6, 2014
Although I can see how you would find it difficult not to become annoyed, and reply in a snarky way because you tire of some of the more frustrating posters, as anyone would. [ I don’t know if I’d even do as well as you] I just feel that you need to maintain an unaffected neutrality so you come out seeming more irreproachable or impartial in the eyes of other visitors. Because now and then you speak down to people, and it removes some of what you are trying hard to maintain here. That is really not meant to be a criticism, and I know how hard it is, but since it is your personal channel is helps you in the long run with PR. In the end people will look at both sides and see that, and you will come up far more solid.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
May 6, 2014
Hello Trace,
What your saying is a criticism, but constructive and appreciated. I suppose I may seem harsh, but that depends on who and what is being said.
I don’t pretend to be a saint. And I don’t mind if people are angry or confrontational with me. After all, they are defending their beliefs and views. I figure that if people want to voice their opinion, they are free to do so (unless it is just pointless name-calling).
I know what you mean about PR and I’m not that much of a PR type of person. Could you give me an example of a poster whom I have seemed to be unfair with? Maybe I could better appreciate which examples you examined in order to fully comprehend what you mean by neutrality.
In Christ,
D.
Joshua
September 16, 2013
If the box scans through lets say 7 frequencies in a second and a word is spoken over the course of a second, how do you explain that?
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
September 22, 2013
Hi Joshua,
It all depends on the type of “Ghost” Box being used, how it has been adjusted or built, etc. It is a very hypothetical question which doesn’t have any immediate answer since there are more factors involved. Your assumption (however) is that a box scans through frequencies without interruption (or brief pauses among stronger frequencies or broadcasting stations). I believe you need to examine the technology and how it works in order to resolve your hypothetical question. Without understanding how the scan works, you may be misunderstanding why a scan sweep is utilized in order to obtain “voices”
Cheers!
Eric Martin
September 22, 2013
Dillaran Martin from the Ghost Engineers. My engineering team concluded the device to be a HOAX; the machine uses software from nuance (Dragon) speech to text software. In the memory of this device it takes that message that people speak and uses an algorithm to determine a response, for example, if you say, “Mark, are you here?”, the algorithm may return “am here…help” but it has many different responses inside its memory. The radio scanning it just a cover. When the Ghost Box is ready to say a response, it determines the sex of the ghost (male in this case) and blurts it out mixed in with the radio scanning, or it responds using a speech pattern it picks up from one of the radio stations it is scanning. The device is a complete hoax, but a very clever design. – http://www.GhostEngineers.com, it will be in our upcoming documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbxI2aHHNe8
Dillaran Martin (born as Eric Martin) and has been working as an Engineer for the past 20 years. Graduated with two degrees in science from the University of Pittsburgh.
Our website is a bit out of date because we are working on the documentary, but here it is:
http://www.GhostEngineers.com
also http://www.theScienceOfGhosts.com
Eric@GhostEngineers.com
Note: Dillaran is my television name to separate it from my Engineering work. I went to Hollywood to learn how to present my ideas, learn about cameras (since they are the experts) and audio recording. I also have an episode coming up on Coast to Coast where I am going to blast the TV Ghost Hunting Shows (most but not all.)
Dillaran Martin, the Ghost Engineer.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
September 22, 2013
Hello Eric,
Thanks for posting. I look forward to reading more about what you have discovered from a technological perspective.
Cheers!
Tommy
September 23, 2013
But you deleted what I said from a technological perspective? 1. The device has 24MB’s of RAM. 2. Dragon Speak/Nuance requires at least 2GB of RAM and 3.2GB of disk space. Even the earliest version required 512mb ram and at least 1.2GB of disk space. 3. Nuance is not open source, so, Sumption must be some sort of mega-genius.
So, let me get this straight… he reverse engineered Nuance, not only that but then streamlined the code so that it can fit onto a 24mb-ROM chip, all that with a 16bit CPU?
Honestly? Come on. Again if Sumption did all of the above he should be winning awards in computer science.
To me (as a linux nerd) that would be MUCH more impressive than just scanning white noise.
Dillaran Martin
September 23, 2013
Very Good Analysis! You sound like a programmer or Engineer. But nuance makes all kinds of speech recognition software. At the Metrolink train stations in L.A. when they installed nuance they had to fit it in to 10 MB of RAM because that’s all the bigger the memory was when they created the platform announcement boxes. I was there when Nuance installed it since I was an Engineer for Metrolink. There software was installed into existing memory and a mic added and people could speak into the mic nuance would convert it to text and the announcement system would send it to the Metrolink Scheduling system that sent back a response that was displayed on an LED display right above the mic. If I said “time to Union Station” it would get converted, sent to the schedule that knows the current location of every train, creates and estimate, then sends it back to the display where the person is standing. There is also the fact that nuance is not the only company that makes speech recognition software. Look at the old ATT cell phones. They had very little memory but they took voice commands.
Don’t be upset that this box is fake, I am bringing the truth when we use high grade lasers to detect the spirits of people who die on the operating table. That’s right. Based on Einstein’s equation, ghosts must have mass, and if they have mass, I can detect it. We already have the hospital lined up and we are working with the administrator who is very interested in ghosts. Image, we could show that every time a person dies, something with mass rises above them. The lasers sound an alarm when the beam is broken and it is a special kind of laser that we designed and built ourselves. It might now work, I don’t know. But if it does, we may have just proved that humans have a soul. That is what the real Engineers do unlike the fake Ghost Hunters on T.V., and yes, they really are fake, except the shows that don’t include a group of clowns going into the house talking the entire time bumping into stuff. Plus, why are they all covered in Tattoos? I’ve never seen an Engineer or Scientist with Tattoos. Still, the best show was “A Haunting”, the original series not the new series.
How did the movie trailer look? I am going to have Barry Taff destroy the fake TV Ghost Hunters, I can’t mention any shows but I can say “Plumbers.” Yes, you take a lot of physics classes to become a plumber with a Rota-Rooter business.
Dillaran Martin, the Ghost Engineer
http://www.GhostEngineers.com
http://www.youtube.com/user/eamartin19 (youtube channel)
The youtube channel needs work, some stuff on there I will explain as unreliable in the documentary, like the Ghost Image from the Pasadena bridge and the Whitney Houston ghost. This is the stuff you see on T.V. Actually, the best thing on that site is the BEST EVP GHOST VOICES EVER CAUGHT ON TAPE. That is the real thing recorded on the Queen Mary where it crashed into the Curasoa in 1942 killing 338 sailers.
The videos are going to get better, and I know some of the ones on that site are not very good, but I will be replacing them.
I am trying to contact these guys but no response I want to use the first 54 sec of this video in my documentary, what do you think? It tells what TV Ghost Hunters are all about:
For this video just watch the first part with the son of the bald guy. This is what I think of the Ghost Hunters:
Dillaran Martin
September 23, 2013
This is the funny video I mean’t to post, not the previous one that shows all their videos. Just the first 54 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxvkYnrgZa8
Tommy
September 23, 2013
In your documentary do you give examples of the Nuance code? Also, if you have this sort of proof how come the parent company hasn’t sued all makers of these devices?
I cannot believe that he was able to fit that much code into 24MB’s – and then reverse engineer the code not only to shorten it, but, also re-compile it to run a 16-bit device.
I’m looking forward to your documentary.
Dillaran Martin
September 23, 2013
FROM DILLARAN: ON THE SPAT VIDEOS I ONLY MEAN’T THE VIDEO CALLED “VOICE OF THE DEAD?” BUT FOR SOME REASON IT SHOWS ALL OF THEIR VIDEOS. So just watch the first minute of VOICE OF THE DEAD? The Beginning – The First EVP!
john lizeroni
September 23, 2013
I do believe the white noise of a ghost box can be useful for spirit communication. however yes the radio interference can lead to false claims. I tend to accept responses out of pure white noise particularly those that are a clear unbroken full sentence over several several “channel hops”.
Jim
September 29, 2013
@Dillaran Martin That is not a ghost box because a radio can’t have that kind of software in it. That is probably an ovilous, and the ovilous is fake, the ovilous has a 2000 word dictionary, and can be changed with a computer.. The ghost box is different, There is no ram in a radio. I get full sentence replies from just sweeping through the stations with a Walkman. That is not a ghost box that you have. It is a px or a ovilous. Do some research.
Jim
September 30, 2013
@Tommy This guy is full of crap. There will be no documentary.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
September 30, 2013
How do you know with absolute certainty that there will be no documentary? I say, wait and see and don’t be so harsh in your judgements.
lori
October 13, 2013
Are you able to explain as misperception the same voice speaking an entire sentence over multiple airwaves?
ken
October 19, 2013
First I would like to say how disappointing it was to read the totally unprofessional comments left by Mr Sumption. As I can not be completely sure it is in fact him that would use such amazingly ignorant language in response to what I feel was a well thought out and educated response to a untested and , quite frankly ridiculously associated device to what has never been scientifically proven phenomena I can only hope it was a imposter.
For me, I can not see how anyone could legitimately put any sort of educated faith in any type of device for which it’s sole purpose is intended to broadcast man-made sounds such as words, music and many other types of communication to also be used for un-researched and unproven non- terrestrial communications in any way. For years we have “listened” to as well as broadcasted signals over many many frequencies in massive scales for the very purpose of hearing or detecting non earth or non man-made sounds or words if you will and never once achieving that goal. I find it very hard to believe that simply (in laymens terms) speed scanning my radio will allow me to do what researchers at M.I.T. or NASA and S.E.T.I. have been unable to do, prove, or locate to date.
Thank you
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
October 19, 2013
Hello Ken,
Thanks for your input, and especially your point about exploring signals and frequencies aimed at receiving non-terrestrial communications. This is something experimenters of EVP and ITC seldom take into consideration.
As for Frank Sumption, unfortunately it is him and not an imposter. I don’t mind his posts, and I can understand why he is upset, but he has refused to respond to the problems/questions raised concerning his “ghost” box for a few years now. Either he doesn’t care, or he can’t answer the concerns accordingly.
Cheers!
Steve
October 21, 2013
Such a shame non believers will go to any lengths to disprove something so it will fit their beliefs and/or agenda. Paranormal phenomena will never be seriously investigated by mainstream science for the fear of losing their money, and/or job. The ghost box does not broadcast anything. It is a receiver. and SETI, et.al. …again refer to my second sentence.
I believe you have a right to your opinion but I am sad you bury your head in the sand and miss so many amazing things this life has to offer.
ken
October 23, 2013
I have to say that I find it’s amazing that people make assumptions about other people when they know not one thing about them. Steve you did not know me but yet you accuse me of having my head buried in the sand . That could not be further from the truth. How I would have handled that would have been to ask questions not make accusations. I’m not saying that is the right way to handle that situation but I make that statement based on what I believe to be common sense. If I do not know somebody at all except for one comment that they made I am NOT capable of making assumptions about that person therefore I would ask questions. I made my reference to S.E.T.I and the Ghost Box because both listen for signals from entities that we are not even positive exist. You made the statement that it is typical for non-believers to discredit other s who have had personal experience or proof of something that they cannot understand. Firstly I would ask to show me that proof. I would ask that you look up the meaning of the word tangibility. Without tangible proof you you cannot have existence. What you have is belief and belief is very powerful that there is no doubt. However belief s not tangible. If I told you the color of a house you have never seen is green what do you have belief or proof? You have belief, what if a totally different person then told you it was white what do you have? Conflicting beliefs correct? Well then I took you and showed you that house was neither green nor white but was in fac brown what do you have then? Tangible proof my friend. It is the same as the argument regarding this issue. Different beliefs but no real tangible proof. That does not mean green house guy and white house guy had the sand and couldn’t see the house. It just means they each had a different belief in the houses color. I use that analogy not to convince you or anyone else of anything. I use it because my head is not in the sand. I had a real experience that I can not prove or disprove nor explain. So now I try to find proof in some tangible way that gives me a undeniable answer to my experience. Sadly I have not found it yet I’m afraid. So the next time I ask that you not assume but question instead.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
October 23, 2013
Hi Ken,
Sometimes its hard to receive such knne-jerk reactions of people, but I must say your response was very calm and mature. Just realize that most people dabbling into the paranormal are are not as calm or mature.
Cheers!
Steve
October 24, 2013
What do house colors have to do with spirit voices or communications?
Sometimes something is what it is, and at least for the moment there is no explanation.
This is a question and answer…couple of them actually, from Aug.
First, maybe a faint “goodbye”…inconclusive, but then an “I love you”, then two “bye”s at the end. It was canning in reverse at either 150 or 200 ms. Sorry I forget that particular but it doesn’t preclude the results. Now you tell me your thoughts on how, in reverse at those speeds, intelligible words are going to be plucked out of thin air as you and others suggest.
I have other examples but this is the shortest one for this purpose.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
October 24, 2013
Hello Steve,
Scanning in reverse is what you stated, correct? Well, that’s like tuning a radio station dial backwards instead of forwards and the scan doesn’t matter in terms of direction because the broadcasting stations/channels are not affected by that.
Unless you meant the voices were in reverse (which you didn state), then that’s a different matter entirely. Were you attempting a backmasking recording? Or was this an anamoly you wish to point out? If so please clarify.
If, however, you simply believe that a scan/sweep backwards (instead of forwards) is your point, then I don’t see what your point is (as I just explained previously).
Also, I would like to direct you to the other article concerning the “ghost” box (Ghost Box Dellusion).
Perhaps you should also read the article concerning EVP as well.
Cheers!
Steve
October 24, 2013
backmasking recording,,,I don’t even know what that is.The reverse action nullifies any chance of just happening to catch a string of syllables to make a word…which is impossible at the speeds of a scan, something of which you all seem to ignore. Words captured by the ghost boxes cover numbers of milliseconds over different frequencies. Even the word “a” would take longer than one quick stop on a fraction of a frequency.
You believe what you will believe. We will agree to disagree. I leave you to your own little piece of life.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
October 24, 2013
Thanks for leaving us to our own “little piece of life”
ken
October 23, 2013
One more thing I would like to add please. First I would like to point out that the exaples I am giving now do NOT in any way account for all the ones I have heard. A few ghost box “recordings” I have heard, many were one word replies if you will. Some had what I would call emphasis on the word. Like it was a word picked out of the middle of a sentence to which had nothing to do with the question. It seemed more like it was a word picked out of a commercial. Some that were a complete sentence in the form of a replay had words that were using different tonal voices even going from male to female. A few also sounded like the computer voice from the 80s movie war games or like the speak and spell toy. What would explain that I ask please?
bridge salesman
November 1, 2013
I just recently watched a ghost adventures episode where a ghost box was used and I was utterly amazed..
These ghost hunters purported to use science but then seemed generally astounded that garbled words came out of this box.
I am no electrical engineer and I had not even heard of the ghost box until recently but it was clear to me right off what this ghost box was, a radio.
Thanks to the writer of this article for looking at this objectively. It’s quite disturbing that there are so many people on the planet in this day and age that actually fall for this ridiculousness
The old axiom always rings true I guess…there is definitely a sucker born every minute.
I may need to start selling some bridges!
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
November 1, 2013
Hi Bridge Salesman,
Thanks for the compliments, but to be fair, people aren’t really easily fooled. Belief is a powerful thing and when something believed to be possible is presented to us, we as people are prone to many amazing suggestions driven by our desire to believe.
By the way, is the Brooklyn Bridge up for sale? I’m very interested! 🙂
joel
November 22, 2013
if there is proof that software is included inside spirit boxes,not just the radio scanner component then that goes a long way in explaining how the spirit box generates “intelligent” responses.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
November 23, 2013
Hi Joel,
As one commentor suggested, it is probably an Ovilus and not the “ghost” box that has the software.
Josef
December 5, 2013
Admittedly I have only skimmed through much of this due to the fact that it is pretty clear that the CPRS has only a very linear, narrow mind (or collection of) to work with. Debunking/discrediting is a great thing, I’m all for it but using terms like “Objective” only works when the mind using the term actually believes in objectivity. That is clearly not happening via CPRS.
I have had some experience with “Ghost boxes” and “Spirit Boxes”; and in my case the replies coming through were not Subject/Influenced to/by my desire to hear something. They were intelligent replies to specific questions that could not be answered by random radio frequency snippets. They were quite clear, completely understandable, and much to accurate to dismiss.
Also, why is it CPRS you regularily state that people on this thread should not be Disrespectful etc. yet you consistantly display a very condiscending attitude toward anyone here that even remotely disagree’s with something you post. Albiet shrouded in accoutability deflecting terms your hipocracy is….Obvious.
I work in the technology field and have lots of experience with Dragon software, That appication is HUGE relatively speaking and I highly doubt it would even function on a piece technology as small as what it would appear the Ghost Box is.
The “Algorithyms” someone was talking about up there require a large amount space to operate AND required a LOT of code. I find it very hard to believe that this software, even a stripped down version which I dont think is even possible due to Licensing, would even function on a tiny under-powered device such as the Ghost Box. Also the software you speak of is If/Then type software. It does not dynamically make choices or “think” for itself”. It runs processes that have been hard coded based on key fragments of speech. Pre-determined, pre-defined. Personalization of the software requires a user to record functions, record speech and relate the two within the software to make things happen. There is no way the nerdiest of nerds could program a little piece of software to react accurately to every random situation a “Spirit Hunter” would encounter.
I dont pretend to sit here and know much about what is going on inside these boxes but my real world experiences have shown that yes, in the hands of Zealots they may give sounds or noises that people Subjectively mis-interpret. No disagreement there. But it is entirely possible that the little Ghost Boxes do work just as described isnt there? Glitches, pops, buzzes, random fractions of words, these all happen, how could you expect them not to when something is constantly scanning radio freq???
Frank Sumption – Notice:
All the people throughout history that have attempted to “Break ground” or “Push the envelope” or “Go against the grain” end up in your situation. There will always be someone or a group of someone’s that want to take you down because they are threatened somehow by something that is done. Anyone can scientifically explain why something should and conversly should not work. There is always a SUBJECTIVE way to produce whatever results the beholder wants to. Only when someone can OBJECTIVELY examine any situation will they begin to learn and expand. Problem is, that takes a truly open and objective mind. Little short of that here I’d say. I wouldn’t even bother with confrontion in these types of situations, you will never be right (heard) because you were already wrong before you got here 🙂
Cant wait to see this blow up!
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
December 6, 2013
Hello Josef,
For someone who admitted to only skimming through all the material, it is no surprise your criticism of the OCPRS is very negative.
I encourage you to read the article more carefully, and to also look at the Ghost Box Dellusion article as well. Also take a look at the EVP article I posted.
You can criticize the OCPRS all you want afterwards. Until then your criticism is unfounded.
As for the software you speak of, if you paid more attention to what people said, you would have realized that there was some confusion on the part of one commentors uage of the word spirit box (ghost box) with another device which is called the Ovilus. It pays to read what others have to say rather than pass your own ignorance and judgement on others Josef. What I’m saying here is intended with respect, but only enough for you to appreciate that if you are going to take the time to apply criticism (positive or negative) then you should take the time to understand what the arguments are. Otherwise you end up looking foolish and people will not take you seriously.
You are always welcome to post and disagree with the OCPRS. However, don’t expect to say whatever you want without a response. In terms of being respectful, I have asked people not to post offensive words like the “f” word (such as Frank Sumption has done on numerous occassions).
Cheers!
D.
Josef
December 6, 2013
Agreed. Of course language etiquette. I’ll look deeper and get back to you. I would never fear a reply.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
December 6, 2013
Hello again Josef,
Good! And I do do appreciate criticism when it is logical. I would like to point out that in the article I do encourage others to contribute their input for or against the arguments. However, have only received perspectives based on belief rather than flaws in my arguments or demonstrations proving the validity of the capabilities assigned to the ghost box by what has now become mainstream acceptance among paranormal enthusiasts and researchers alike. For a few years I’ve always awaited Mr. Sumptions response to the problems raised, but have yet to have those issues addressed (not on his part or those who support him). If you are up to the challenge, then you are welcome to address those issues raised in the articles and are welcome to post them here for the sake of discussion.
clamel
December 29, 2013
What do you think of Steve Huff’s paranormal videos? Considering he’s a photographer, he would also have training with lighting and likely software such as Final Cut Pro to edit video footage, with familiarity in jump cut techniques, etc. He claims there is no reason for him to be fraudulent however popular content such as these paranormal videos would build his online presence and customer base as a photographer. Hits on YouTube also eventually pay off. I would love to believe what he’s recorded from the spirit box but if the camera is on a tripod it’s easy to edit the ‘wrong answers’ out picked up from radio stations. He has also recorded orbs but once again this could be done with a laser…I truly want to believe all of this stuff but I have my doubts that anyone has ever been 100% truthful in their so called findings…and believe many to have eluded themselves in these quests as well.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
December 30, 2013
Hi clamel,
I don’t believe that Mr. Huff has manipulated any of the evidence he has presented (through technological manipulation).
I do have very different opinions and approaches to the subject of paranormal phenomena when compared to Steve, but I can honestly say that some (not all) his evidence is a genuine demonstration of ITC Spiritualism whereby he makes use of various types of technology to engage in his mediumistic abilities.
He believes in the spirits of the dead hypothesis and excludes the demonic hypothesis despite the fact that some of his evidence identifies demonic activity. He claims to be objective and not hold to any definite conclusions but he does gravitate more to the spirits of the dead hypothesis. The 0CPRS does recognize that the possibility for the spirits of the dead hypothesis may occur but there is no way to distinguish the souls of the dead from demonic impersonators where the paranormal is concerned. Anyone who believes they can distinguish between the two is highly delluded and risks being manipulated by spirit activity. Joe Fisher was one such individual who discovered this fact too late and paid with his life unfortunately.
Hope this helps.
D.
clamel
December 30, 2013
Great, thanks for your response on this! It was indeed helpful.
Russ Collins
January 23, 2014
Hiya, ive been reading all this with great interest. Id just like to ask what is the OCPRS other than just a wordpress blog. you talk as if you are representing some organisation, when google searches only lead to this blog ie you are just one person. not a society or organisation?. just trying to clarify who or what you are thats all. thanks 🙂
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
January 23, 2014
Hi Russ,
I appreciate your question and as of late, many people (even priests) have been contacting me with similar concern.
The OCPRS began with two indviduals (myself and a friend) but now consists of only myself (not really an organization with just one person, but this may change in the near future).
You can look at the mission statement for more detail but I will offer you some more detail.
For a time, my office was a tractor-trailer and my activities were spread across the Eastern seaboard of the United States and most of Canada, but that has ceased.
What I offer is a perspective and not a universal opinion. I have colleagues who are Roman Catholic who disagree with my conclusions or approaches. Objectivity among Christians is just as diverse as among any religious body or otherwise.
The future of the OCPRS is uncertain but for the mean time, I continue to research, investigate, and help people if they so desire any help.
I’m not a priest, deacon, or especially an exorcist. I’m just a truck driver. I don’t pretend to be an authority on the subject of the paranormal, or a theologian. I’m just a simple man. I know my opinions and interpretations may sound firm, but that should not imply I speak for the Vatican or the any religious body. I don’t have all the answers, and am always pushing myself to learn more.
I do appreciate your question, and hopefully I’ve satisfied your curiosity. Please feel free to offer your views, or criticisms, etc. I always learn from such posts and improve upon my efforts based on such posts.
Cheers!
rob c
January 27, 2014
hi there i have a serious problem i think and it may be growing..
in order to understand whats going on i was optimistic on using a franks box or a ghost box to help me better understand what is going on.
i am a firm believer of fact before fiction and always finding an explination for everything by thinking with an open mind.but in this particular instance i am finding it hard to rule out some form of lets say energy.
if anyone has a franks box may i please borrow it.
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i can be contacted at rob.coco@hotmail.com thanks
Ian
March 10, 2014
This was fantastic.Recently I posted GB clip on a facebook group with me saying ‘people are so skeptical of the ghost box and a few seconds later ”f**ck em” came through and a member on the facebook group got it right.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
March 10, 2014
I don’t mean to poke fun at you Ian, but you seriously believe that is enough proof and not just coincidence?
Questions or statements made can be associated to a variety of “responses” coming through the ghost box.
But, since you believe you have “proof” what is it that you believe responded to you?
Ian
March 11, 2014
I hope not.I have been doing the GB for almost 5 years and I consistently get clear responses that are not in the imagination nor coincidence.If for example I ask ‘are you a ghost or spirit’?”ghost” or ”spirit” will come through more often than not and it’s something that needs to be experienced to be appreciated it.I am almost certain but we can’t be certain of anything.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
March 12, 2014
Hi Ian,
Thanks for clarifying. Do you consider the GB a form of mediumship or do you believe the technology is what enables communication with spirit(s)? I’m interested in what others think about when technology is involved.
http://Www.Youtube.com/watch?v=HerjtTOssS8
March 12, 2014
My relatives all the time say that I am killing my time here at net, except I know I am
getting know-how everyday by reading thes nice content.
Bryce
March 16, 2014
Your explanations are ignoring the fact that the same exact voice can come through multiple times in a row, and speak full words (in the same tone) over multiple frequencies. Explain a solid word or words spoken over 10 frequencies. You can’t.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
March 16, 2014
Hi Bryce,
A few people have made the same point you just made, however, when asked to provide evidence of this what I have observed are scans which do not sweep across channels/stations uniformly. Instead, stronger signals that are swept across will be swept through at a slower rate than those signals which are weaker. There is also the fact that a ghost box can do this because it is effectively damaged in order to sweep through stations, and the outcome of such adjustments do not provide the same sweep rate for all ghost boxes.
There is also the design created by Frank Sumption which specifically includes a sweep control allowing the sweep through signals to speed up or slow down. When manipulated, the “responses” obtained are much more frequent.
If you like, you can read the follow-up article I wrote, but it essentially says the same thing with a few more cosiderations. But, maybe read the article on EVPs.
Bryce, I would like to ask you what I ask all Ghost Box users. What do you believe is communicating through the box? Also, have you ever considered that the Ghost Box
Any ways, thanks for posting has become a mediumistic tool rather than a technology capable of penetrating spiritual boundaries?
Allen aka haunted4life
March 16, 2014
You must be having fun with this article. What people are having communications with on the ghost box are called dead people aka ghost. I told you once and tell you again that it works and I have more then enough evidence to prove that. But I will let you have your fun debating with people on here.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
March 16, 2014
Hi Allen,
You’re obviously upset that the article doesn’t validate your beliefs, but to answer your claims, no. No, I’m not having “fun” at peoples expense with this article and I’m not sure how you have come to this conclusion, besides the fact that you are a believer in the ghost box.
There really is no debate here. People are entitled to post their perspectives (even you are) but you shouldn’t be upset that someone views things differently.
You say that the ghost box works, but that’s your opinion (not proof). Perhaps you don’t want to believe anything written in the articles presented by the OCPRS because you have convinced yourself that only your explanations are the right ones, and you can’t tolerate a different perspective? Regardless of you or I say, the fact of the matter is that any device used to communicate with spirits is just another form of seance-like practice. Its not science (you and other ghost box enthusiasts have never presented any science alongside your claims). So if you are protesting this article, then provide evidence, and not your objections lacking evidence.
Allen aka haunted4life
March 16, 2014
Here you go explain this I asked who that kid was that said Michael and the little girl says her name Brittany. I have recordings of them cursing saying things on command answering questions all sorts of things http://www.soundcloud.com/haunted4life/brittany-ghost-box-clip and here is one where they answered where my hands were at and they said it very clearly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY070YhGUTs and here is one of a woman singing over multiple frequencies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW12y1ASrAc
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
March 16, 2014
Hi Allen,
Thank you for the examples.
The Britany response and woman singing across multiple frequencies are common examples. For the Britany example, you asked for a name and what occurs here is subjective validation whereby you anticipate a name (any name) and sometimes these examples produce other words or sounds not recognized to names which your mind will satisfy as a response (subjective validatio) and then when a name pops up, your mind believes you have received a response, rather than a name produced by random channels (radio shows frequently produce names of people, locations, numbers, events etc.).in your case, the name occurred prior to other sounds or recognizable words which, no doubt, you would have disregarded if they did not satisfy the type of response anticipated.
The woman singing across multiple frequencies is a result of having damaged the scanning mechanism (which is how ghost boxes work). Sometimes those broadcasting stations are not swept through but are overlapped producing white noise from which the stronger broadcasting channel will be much clearer than the weaker ones. This gives the impression that the “voice” is carried across multiple frequencies, but it is not.
The pocket example was a good one. Although brief (probably edited for the sake of time) it would be nice to see an uncut version because you only show the success but not the full range which may have included misses (when it doesn’t work).
Allen aka haunted4life
March 16, 2014
As far as the little girl what ate the chances that she would say her name about a second after I ask and why would she be on the radio to begin with? And the woman singing over multiple frequencies she went over about five seconds of air time and the box I was using goes between 97-98 in less then a second. You can also hear other people coming through from other frequencies in between her singing. And yes I have a longer video I took the pocket clip out of and it was the first time I asked it. In this video I ask what I am holding and two people tell me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y1a0sBr4L0 in this video the tl me what color a lighter is I’m holding up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMiYaVTc3dk and this is a video I put together with a couple ghost box clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psof1Pzmw78
Allen aka haunted4life
March 17, 2014
And here is a little girl answering me after I ask what her name was http://www.soundcloud.com/haunted4life/little-girl-ghost-box-clip and here is another one of me asking about a little girls name and she tells me her name is kimbreal http://www.soundcloud.com/haunted4life/little-girl-im-kimbreal-ghost
Stacey
April 10, 2014
You Catholics believe in some imaginary all seeing, all knowledgeable guy in the sky (just to start with) and yet you have the audacity to question & look down your crooked noses at other peoples’ beliefs??
Keep your rotten, filthy, belittling behaviour between you and your Catholic friends.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
April 10, 2014
Hello Stacey,
Alhough you didn’t identify what it is you believe (other than your hostility to Catholicism), you also didn’t argue any points against the rational and scientific considerations in the article.
Had the same arguments been presented by an Atheist, or perhaps an occultist, would you disagree with the arguments or disagree? Or have you been so overwhelmed by anti-Christian influences tha you are now incapable of looking at the facts simply because a Christian presented them? I’m honestly confused why people who can’t argue against the article feel they can spew their poisonous attitudes towards Christians here in the comments section?
But regardless of what you stated, you posted in defense of the “Ghost” Box. I will allow your comment because it will help give people an idea about different view points and what variety of people support the “Ghost” Box.
Doug Kennedy
April 17, 2014
I have had many lengthy conversations using the ghost box. The comment about the boxes being used to communicate with aliens certainly applies in my case, as I have been in contact with an alien ghost. His name is Zorac and he tells me he was in the crash at Roswell and did not survive. He was from somewhere in Alpha Centauri and his ship malfunctioned as they approached earth’s magnetic field. I asked Zorac why his kind do not land where we can all see them, like the White House, and he said it was explained in a David Bowie song which has lyrics that go a little something like this: “There’s a star man waiting in the sky, he’d like to come and meet us but he thinks he’d blow our mind”. Zorac knows a great deal about the human race and says we could learn much from his people. For example, he tells me that Twitter was invented one million years ago on his planet and it nearly wiped out their entire civilization as it was discovered that sending 140 character messages about minutiae causes the brain to shrink rapidly and can leaves frequent users in a vegetative state. Today, anyone on his planet caught using abbreviations like LOL, BRB or IMHO are exterminated instantly.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
April 18, 2014
WOW!
Allen aka haunted4life
May 5, 2014
You never answered about whats are the chances of the girl being on the radio and how that woman can carry over all them frequencies and never said anything about the other evidence I posted you cant explain it as radio waves can you
Mr Parker
May 13, 2014
Hello. This is all new to me and I am really venturing into unfamiliar territory here. But I do have a few questions for the OCPRS and a few things to say myself.
You claim to be a believer of science and completely disparage the whole area of Instrumental Transcommunication for the very reason of it being unscientific. But considering you hold strong Christian beliefs as you initially mentioned, if I’m not mistaken you also don’t believe in evolution and you most likely actually believe that all human beings are descendants of Adam and Eve whom you consider the pro-creators of all humans. So therefore doesn’t this make you very much a hypocrite for deeming something unscientific when you yourself believe in something which is in retrospect very unscientific?
Now for a few things I would like to say myself. I haven’t looked deeply into it all enough as I mentioned before, however I do think there has been some dishonesty within the field of Instrumental Transcommunication. As a matter of fact there is one apparent phone call recording from Konstantin Raudive which is available on the internet, which is very hard to believe. Not to mention the Spiricom controversy.
However I think such dishonesty is found is every field of interest. One man who actually uses a Radio for real time communication is a man called Marcello Bacci who is from Italy. I don’t know if you have already heard of him. But in case you haven’t this man is the most impressive case I have seen so far.
He uses an old valve tube radio to tune into ‘White Noise’ where eventually discarnate entities communicate through. He stands out for a few reasons I think. First of all his radio has been tested on more than a few occasions by Physicists (Scientists) and Radio Technicians alike all of whom have ruled out any fraud. His radio has been through a variety tests such as being placed in a Faraday cage and the voices still coming through as normal. Here is a link to one of the quiet few scientific studies conducted on his radio:
http://www.worlditc.org/h_01_bacci_particular_experiment.htm
This man is definitely worth some in depth research. On a side note regarding the main article, I have seen the ‘Sumption Box’ in action on a few videos circulating the internet. And from what I’ve seen I am not impressed. It clearly seems to be what you just mentioned, the radio rapidly scanning the AM Band and picking up random blips and stray radio frequencies. The voices which come through are interpreted as being answers to questions according to the individuals belief. It works by having to scan the radio band as a necessity so there is no way you can rule the most rational explanations out, such as placing the radio within a Faraday Cage which would rule out stray radio signals. Looking forward to your response.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
May 13, 2014
Hello Parker,
I don’t believe I’m being hypocritical, and here is why. The ITC community has made various technologies into mediumistic tools, although they attempt to associate the technology to science. This is in itself hypocritical, but I don’t believe it is intentional, but rather, incidental. People have adopted technology and the aspirations of various individuals who have hypothesized their own spiritual beliefs and presented these beliefs as science. This is where I identify the practice of various EVP methodologies as un-scientific.
Also, I don’t claim to substantiate my beliefs as “science” as do ITC Spiritualists. So I have to disagree with your argument that I am being a hypcorite for pointing out a serious problem occurring among paranormal enthusiasts. I do appreciate you taking the time to post and offer your views on the subject, and hope you read some of the other articles addressing the same issue (albeit among different subjects).
Cheers!
roeschandco
June 12, 2014
I believe most of the words heard back when you walk around questioning the device is just advertisements, commercials, people being interviewed. This box can pick up CO radio transmission from truckers and police. But you can test all that too. I’d go to a cemetery and look for the most unique name you can find and fire away at the questioning. If the headstone reads Jan Pierce and you hear “John Pierre” coincidence becomes a little more discredited.
Mr Parker
June 12, 2014
Hello ‘Roeschandandco’ are you by any chance Joe Banks, the author of ‘Rorschach Audio’? I think what you mentioned (pareidolia) can be accounted for most of these voices. There was one such researcher called Sarah Estep who is quite well known within the EVP community whom went to Egypt once and recorded voices in the English language. This if course makes no sense.
There seems to be a lot of fraud in the field of Instrumental Transcommunication in general. You can find the audio clips online of Konstantin Raudive, where his discarnate voice also happens to breathing.
Kim
June 24, 2014
I was a skeptic as well, until I actually used the ghost box myself. A name kept coming through, “Philip”, in every single session I did. Whether it was day or night, AM or FM, “Philip ” was always there to greet me. I didn’t know of any Philips in my life who had passed. I wanted to know who this Philip was, so I began asking more specific questions concerning his identity. He told me his last name was “Wentworth”, he was 40 (when he died) and his wife’s name was “Mary” , as well as the fact that he sometimes would refer to himself as “Sir Philip.” The voice was always the same, a British accent.
I googled this name and Sir Philip Wentworth popped up. He lived in the 1400s and was a knight who fought in the Wars of the Roses. His wife’s name was Mary Clifford and he was beheaded at the age of 40.
So if any of you skeptics out there can explain this away with science please do so.
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
June 24, 2014
Hello Kim,
The article addressed the samples of evidence that are explained in the article. Your claim differs from what is addressed. However, you should also read the other article Ghost Box Delusion and maybe even the EVP article addressing technology being used as a mediumistic device.
Also, you ask how can science be used to explain away your experience? More importantly, how does science explain your claims? Chances are you are using a mediumistic technique which is something explained in thje Ghost Box Delusionand EVP articles.
Also, Sir Philip spoke to you with a British accent? He lived during the 15th century and spoke Middle English. So how could you possibly associate a modern British accent to Middle English (which you probably never heard before)?
Have you ever considered that if it was a spirit, that it lied to you? And how would you know it told you the truth?
yza
August 3, 2014
Logical Article –> Frank Sumption rants in broken English –> Defenders of ghosts reacts –> CPRS kindly rebuts –> Frank S goes Ape$hit –> More people defend ghosts via their RADIO box –> CPRS kindly rebuts –> Frank Sumption cries –> Skeptics comments –> Agnostics unsure –> repeat x 3 –> David Bowie is an Alien –> = 2 hours wasted!!!
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
August 5, 2014
Its not necessarily a waste of time. You appreciated the fact that people are passionate about their views, and you actually took the time to read what others had to say. Most people don’t even read the article, and offer opinions. I don’t think you wasted any time. But you probably wanted to obtain something more conclusive in what people had to say.
Thanks for posting.
Angeliina
August 20, 2014
Skimming these comments have been equal parts hilarious and frustrating. I actually lol’do when Frank admitted that he hadn’t even read the article! Why is it that the most uninformed opinions are so often the loudest? One would think that if he believed in his product and also in the topic being discussed, he would want to understand the criticisms being presented before defending himself.
Basically. OCPRS responds with a polite intelligence to each note – regardless of the high levels of craziness, illiteracy & bigotry he/she is confronted with (I say bigotry to those who take an opposing stance because of their limited understanding of OCPRS’s religious or scientific affiliations – which can’t be understood at all in the first place if you don’t even read the articles. Seriously, read the damned article before you “disagree” with anything – or you’re just childishly disagreeing for the sake of it. Surely even the least self reflective of people can understand this concept?!?). The author manages to address each comment with respect and asks civilized questions in the pursuit of respectful debate. Your patience astounds me.
If you believe in something, and you believe you’re right, take the time to intelligently explain your argument and outline what exactly you disagree with, and why. Try to separate a difference in opinion from a personal attack and you may even LEARN something (or at the very least you may help others to understand your point of view and thus gain support and understanding).
Sorry to sound preachy… It just pains me when people sit around and throw shit at each other instead of taking an opportunity to participate in what otherwise might be an interesting debate with compelling arguments on each side…
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
August 20, 2014
Thank you Angelina,
I try to be respectful but sometimes I can be a little bit of a jerk. My goal is to be respectful, and to help people recognize my argument and apply Christian teachings in their lives.
God bless.
Shawn G
October 14, 2014
Looks like Frank won’t be responding anymore, he’s dead. Perhaps someone can set up one of his boxes so that we can continue to be entertained by his ignorance from beyond the grave?
ONTARIO CATHOLIC PARANORMAL RESEARCH SOCIETY (Toronto, Canada)
October 16, 2014
That is sad news. How did he pass?
J Leblanc
November 8, 2014
I am a skeptic myself, but for arguments sake I am leaning towards the “evp” side based on one fact gathered from personal experience:
I have not gotten an evp while in pursuit of one with the SB7 NOR have I heard a single peep out of it while driving from Maryland to Michigan. I passed through many cities, stopped at many restaurants, been around a ton of people texting etc., and I have not heard a peep.
To author of blog–I agree with your points, but the clips taken with so-called responses do outweigh your zero sessions proving that a spirit box of any kind does spit out noises that can possible sound like default answers to questions.
I don’t want to take any side and fall into the cross fire, but wouldn’t it make sense for both believers and non-believers to try BOTH Q & A sessions with a spirit box AND trying to pick up interference with it by driving around cities etc.?
GRANT
November 26, 2014
HI I read the comments and Franks right” BITE ME” if you dont believe. Who cares about Franks spelling. If frank,by accident, found a cure for Ebola would his spelling mean anything to someone saved.HE found something strange and unexplained on the radio …thats it. Follow it up yourself but dont forget that your attitude has a lot to do with what comes through.We should not be looking to talk to dead people but rather listen to what they have to say.If Frank has died I would like to say I hope to hear from you soon because I like to dislike the same things that galled FRANK ….and to be frank he was that.too GRANT MONTREAL